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Still fighting for fairness on pension's centenary

By Bob Jay

Posted October 9, 2008 10:19:00
Updated October 10, 2008 09:41:00

Elderly woman

The pension simply cannot stretch to pay for a single person's housing, food, clothing, telephone, electricity, health care and transport.

We all know by now that Don Bradman would have turned 100 years old this year. But there's another century worth celebrating - the pension.

100 years ago the Australian Federal Parliament introduced the Invalid and Old Age Pensions Act. It was hailed as landmark social reform that would forever entrench the notion of a 'fair go' in the national conscience.

So why is it that 100 years later, pensioners and senior citizens are still fighting for an increase in the pension? We recently saw that the rate of the pension in Australia lags behind that of other OECD countries. While Australia boasts a $20 billion surplus, more than one million people in Australia rely solely on an age or disability support pension. For singles, this means living on $273 per week - hardly the kind of income that gives you lifestyle options, let alone a reasonable standard of living!

Many families complain about how hard it is to live on two wages - they should try living on the pension. It is a sum that simply cannot stretch to pay for a single person's housing, food, clothing, telephone, electricity, health care and transport. It falls so far short of people's needs that it even increases pensioners' isolation because they can't afford to get out of the house very often.

So what happened to the notion of a fair go for our pensioners, for which the introduction of the Invalid and Old Age Pension was supposed to stand? For a rich nation, we have progressed so little in 100 years in giving people the livelihood security they deserve. The pension as a percentage of average wages has virtually stood still. It was 21.6 per cent of average wages in 1909 and is 25 per cent today. We cannot seriously call that progress.

Meanwhile, the cost of a reasonable standard of living is escalating. At the Combined Pensioners and Superannuants Association of NSW, we regularly speak to pensioners living in modest homes paying thousands of dollars in rates annually. Pensioners resort to staying in bed all day during winter months to save on heating costs. Pensioners who don't own their home and rent privately spend up to 80 per cent of their pension and Government Rent Assistance on rent.

But it is not only the lack of progress on the pension that is not in the spirit of a fair go. Recent decisions such as the removal of pathology rebates, and steep price hikes for water, are just a couple of examples of why pensioners feel ignored by governments.

If all this seems like a grumpy old man's rant, take heart - we haven't totally lost our sense of humour. That's why we've launched the Senior Moments Awards, which use good old fashioned humour to highlight both positive and negative developments affecting pensioners.

Our awards categories include the smartest and dumbest policy or political decision, the biggest price hike, the most notorious quote about pensioners, the worst media portrayal, and the biggest consumer rip-off - all things that have an influence on pensioners' ability to achieve a reasonable standard of living with dignity.

For example, we can only sit back and shake our heads at some of the policy ideas that have emerged recently. One handy idea is to sell your house and downgrade to supplement your income. Where does that leave the majority of pensioners who live in modest homes, or those pensioners who don't own their homes?

Another suggestion is to work until you drop. Why, we ask, would National Seniors propose to increase the pension eligibility age to 75? This, in effect, would have people in their 70s on the dole queue. Low-income earners with meagre superannuation, who could not choose to retire at age 65, would have to toil away until the very end.

Let us know some of the worst things that have happened to you. On the other hand, we'd also like to hear about good things - about people or policy that have made a positive difference.

It is more than high time for the Australian community to put the voice and rights of pensioners first - that would be a change, and a fine way to mark the centenary of the pension.

Bob Jay is the secretary of the Combined Pensioners and Superannuants Association of NSW. This piece was first broadcast on ABC Radio National's Perspective program on October 8, 2008.

Tags: community-and-society, welfare, government-and-politics, federal-government, social-policy, australia

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  • River:

    09 Oct 2008 10:41:14am

    I defiantly think that this problem stems from the cost of living outweighing most incomes, eg, fuel, food and the housing market.

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  • Lynne:

    09 Oct 2008 11:38:43am

    The era of John Howard shall be remembered over time as the era that entrenched the class system in our culture once again. During that time the rich regained their ascendancy and power demanding that wages and social services be reduced.
    Over the subsequent period the gap between the rich and the poor has astronomically increased and very subtle measures of both encouraging the adulation of conspicuous wealth and promotion of bigotry and cruelty has occured to diminish dissent amongst the populace.
    Unions, once the major tool of social change for the poor, have had their power to put their social voice into action banned. The general strikes of the early 20th century were the only avenue for the general population to put their foot down in regard to the excesses of the rich and powerful.
    There are too few in power who care about the general population. Politics is now a career move for most of them so they design their policies to land them in the lap of some plum directorship in big business on retirement. Very few politicians have the ability to understand what is going on for the average Australian including old age pensioners as their world never has and never will come in contact with the cold hard truth of poverty. Labor, once the party of the people is a cold, hard disappointment.

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      • ravensclaw:

        09 Oct 2008 12:58:07pm

        Lynne

        Sorry but I must rebutt this.

        Twas the Keating era where welfare developed into an entrenched lifestyle choice.

        Twas the Howard era where the old age pension was measured against average male earnings rather than inflation. Howard also fixed Aged care facilities, improved access to health services, improved access to Superannuation, introduced carers allowances etc.

        Twas and still is state govts that distribute land for housing. You'll find housing for ownership and investment that there are chronic shortages. As land prices on the urban fringe are similar to those in more established areas you'll find it state incompetence for spiralling housing costs not conservative cold heartedness.

        We had a drought under many of Howard's years, and that impacted food costs. We have had good rainfall recently so what's Rudd's excuse for high food costs?

        Wages at the award level grew by over 30% in real terms over the Howard years of govt. Just about everyone prospered under Howard.

        Private education has surged, even when state labor govts tried to sabotage private schools. Howard rectified the sudden funding imbalance and you'll find a private school with less funding that a public school still has better education outcomes.

        Didn't unions during their militant heyday of the 70's almost completely wipe out our manufacturing. Do you want to know why Australia doesn't make fridges, tvs and even clock radios anymore? Because the yanks, japanese and europeans worked harder than our whining and lazy compulsory unionised workforce.

        Cheers

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          • Perspective:

            09 Oct 2008 4:49:15pm

            or the Japanese, Chinese and Europeans have no choice but to work under conditions that your pets would whine about.....choices my friend. This isn't the roll-over and take is era. The unions have worked extremely hard for workers in Australia. You'd be working for $2.50 a day if it were totally up to those in government.....

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          • hugh jampton:

            09 Oct 2008 10:20:47pm

            There is so much nonsense and so many lies in this post, I could write a doctoral thesis on it. Time to lose the right wing rhetoric Ravenscrap, and get a grip.

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          • Somewhat Perplexed:

            09 Oct 2008 11:12:58pm

            I think Lynne may have gone slightly overboard but my take on it is she is generally correct.

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      • Greg h:

        09 Oct 2008 2:18:08pm

        Over the years the pension system has become so abused by the Labor party, it has now become a joke.

        The pensions used to be for those who worked in Australia and paid their taxes before, under Labor it became a free welfare for anyone who managed to migrate and who is old enough to receive it.


        As with any welfare system, the pension system suprisingly has failed to meet its targets.

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          • Lyn:

            10 Oct 2008 12:19:17am

            I'm sorry, but I must rebutt this.

            In order to qualify for the pension you need to have been a permanent resident in Australia for 10 years. This is not "free welfare for anyone who managed to migrate and who is old enough to receive it".

            And if you think money is tight on the single pension, try living on single Newstart (aka "Dole"). Not only is it less, but you get to keep less of anything you earn.

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      • Norm McMullen:

        09 Oct 2008 2:25:07pm

        Lynne, whilst having every sympathy for pensioners (I am one myself) I have to say that a great many off them have private income apart from the pension - such as interest paid on investment accounts. They also retired with large super payouts.
        I do not want anyone's pity or sympathy. During my working life I ensured the future of myself and family, as did many others! What I have no sympathy for is crying "poor mouth" - and greed!

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          • Kareen Carberry:

            09 Oct 2008 6:44:49pm

            Thank heavens for some common sense in this debate. It is true that many Age pensioners have more than just the Age Pension to live on and in most cases have savings far in excess of families or single people trying to get established. We can blame some younger people for living beyond their means but in the current economic climate it is not just some pensioners that are finding it very difficult to make ends meet.

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          • Somewhat Perplexed:

            09 Oct 2008 11:24:13pm

            My father had a reasonable sum in super and the superannuation company director walked ( in the 90s). He never recovered.

            He therefore retired with 23,000 in super.

            He left school at 13 (as one did in the fifties) and was too busy working as a storeman to educate himself.

            His boss never complained when he was paid award wages for all of his working life.

            He consequently never owned a home - did not even come close...obviously.

            His problem or does society have some involvement. Does he rot on the street because he has little education and was rorted for super or are we bigger than that.

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      • TonyInTsv:

        09 Oct 2008 4:40:31pm

        Having been unemployed for many years, struggling to make ends meet, I can possibly better appreciate how much better it is to have a low unemployment rate. Under Howard I went from being unemployed to having a great high paying job. I don't care about having a mansion or a Ferrari, I care about being able to afford to provide my wife and kids food in their mouth and a roof over their head. The rest is pointless.

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  • Bullfrog:

    09 Oct 2008 11:41:19am

    One of the often forgotten points about the pension age - when it was originally set, average life expentancy for males was 67 years. So setting a retirement age at 65 meant that, on average, the government was only paying for a couple of years of pension. Additionally, the population structure was still a pyramid (lots of young people, few old people). Australia's population strucure currently has a bulge at baby boomers bracket, with relatively few people to follow.

    In part, the change in life expectancy, associated medical costs, and population structure are why it is a challenge to set an appropriate pension.

    I think it will be quite interesting when the baby boomers finally retire, and the tax base rapidly shrinks (all those workers leaving the system). Then, we will see some very challenging decisions to be made.

    Having set some of the background, I believe that the current pension is inadequate, and does need review. In my opinion, the pension needs to be restructured from the ground up.

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      • Az:

        09 Oct 2008 2:00:48pm

        "I think it will be quite interesting when the baby boomers finally retire, and the tax base rapidly shrinks (all those workers leaving the system). Then, we will see some very challenging decisions to be made."

        Not that challenging. Cut them off.

        The Baby-Boomers enforced user-pays on their kids after sucking on the nanny state's teat their entire lives. It's about time they learned to pay their own way.

        Introduce retro-Hecs and let them retire at 80.

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          • watcha:

            09 Oct 2008 2:20:45pm

            That is a highly cynical point az. Most of todays pensioners wern't able to access superannuation.

            It is a little known fact that China earns more from our commodity exports through taxes than the Australian government.

            Why not intoduce parity on these taxes for the benefit of all Australians?

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          • hugh jampton:

            09 Oct 2008 4:22:44pm

            Typical comment from a Gen 'Me'.

            Like many Boomers I went to work straight out of school at 18, paid taxes which supported the pensioners of the day and the unemployed youth (too lazy to get a job) , built infrastructure (schools, hospitals, roads etc). Many supported their stay-at-home kids into their mid 20s. Like many of us I contributed to Super and made extra provisions for my retirement through investments. I have never claimed any welfare (always had a job, even when putting myself through uni as a mature age student). Because of my hard work and foresight I'l probably never be entitled to a pension either.

            Meranwhile people of your generation bludge off the state and their parents, with your 'gap years' and overseas holidays and cars paid for by your parents.

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              • Green:

                09 Oct 2008 6:44:16pm

                You say that at the time you went to work at age 18, your taxes went partly to paying for other youth who were "too lazy to get a job".

                I am assuming that you wouldn't wish to be cast in the same light as those members of your generation who didn't share your work ethic. Similarly, it is ludicrous to try and cast all Gen Xers or Gen Yers in the same mold.

                As with every generation, there are some who make their way through life under their own steam, and some who accept hand-outs from govt or parents. Being younger than yourself does not automatically make someone a "bludger".

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  • dragon:

    09 Oct 2008 11:44:39am

    The truth is that this story can be archived and resurrected in another 100 years and the issue would still be valid !
    Welfare will never be on parity with the cost of living, it's as simple as that.
    That's not to say that the pensioners should not get a raise. Sure an extra 30-40 per week is called for. I hope the Grey Army keeps fighting for their rights because sooner or later it's going to benefit all of us !

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      • Katie:

        09 Oct 2008 1:20:23pm

        Will it be valid in a 100 years though... i dont think it will be valid in 50... Im 26 and no one I've discussed it with (whose employed) even expects there to be an aged pension when were retirement age...

        Society changes, as do our expectations....

        As I interprete it, the current older australians grew up in a society, where you worked, and when you retired the goverment would look after you

        Thats not the world younger generations are growing up in, and i think the pension will be come obsolete in the future, replaced with the dole for the long term unemployed who do not have super/ investment properties/ shares/ or savings

        Give the current aged pensioners a rise, its not like it will be a long term goverment expenditure

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          • quinny:

            09 Oct 2008 1:56:59pm

            A very middle-class centric statement Katie. Unless people are earning enough to save and the proportion of compulsory super is enough to contribute to this nest egg, what you envisage is impossible and inequitable. Neo-liberal individualism falls flat on its face in this argument. Just because people have nto enough super to surivive does not mean they have worked any less harder or contributed to society any less than the rich.

            It is our duty to ensure the pension stays around.

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              • dragon:

                09 Oct 2008 2:53:10pm

                Agreed !
                The pension will always be around as long as we are still electing governments. Staunch Labor and Lib voters never change governments, it's the battlers that will topple a government upon a promise of a few dollars increase in their welfare.

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              • Stop_the_madness:

                09 Oct 2008 3:19:26pm

                I think the opposite is likely to happen - as the proportion of retirees who have access to a superannuation nestegg increases and the number of taxpayers decreases, the increasing tax burden will mean the public is increasingly likely to see the pension as the safety net of a few, rather than the right of all.

                Those of us who have contributed to superannuation for our whole working life shouldn't count on there being a pension when we retire.

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          • DR:

            09 Oct 2008 3:54:10pm

            Katie,

            I have been working for 30 years, and I have never thought there would be a pension to live on either, but for the same 30 years others put nothing away for their future.

            One point missed, is after WW2 the govt introduced an extra tax to cover pensions. In the early 90's Paul Keating allocated this money to general revenue, and it is lost forever, making it so much harder to put in an increase.

            Interestingly, I have been self employed the last seven years. I have drawn the same salary for all that time. This is the first year I have struggled to make ends meet. The govt needs to recognise that for whatever reason and whoevers fault, some of these people are in desperate trouble and need more income now. Blaming someone else, or a previous govt does not make them less callous as a govt.

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  • Uncle Bill:

    09 Oct 2008 11:48:56am

    Think about this. Base the amount of pension you receive on the amount of tax payed during your working life, the more you have paid the higher the pension you receive.

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      • River:

        09 Oct 2008 11:57:07am

        So in simple terms the "Rich get Richer" and the "Poor stay Poor" and even if we put the pension up by $30 or $40 dollars per week in another 6 months fuel, food and rent will go up.

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      • Thinner:

        09 Oct 2008 12:10:07pm

        Oh yes, good idea - the rich get a bigger pension! The idea of a pension is not a tax refund but welfare for the aged poor. If you're rich enough to retire without it then well done. WHo would volunarily live on welfare?

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          • Uncle Bill:

            09 Oct 2008 12:22:23pm

            I could see these responses coming that's why I said think about it. The rich are hell bent on getting every conceivable tax deduction as possible to the point where many pay less tax than the average working person. They have the money to pay expensive accountants to structure their finances to acheive this. The bludgers of our society will get the minimum because they have not contributed.

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              • Cato:

                09 Oct 2008 1:07:22pm

                Dear Uncle Bill, a small percentage of rich people are born rich. The rest has made money by various means and in Australia we are lucky enough to have plenty of opportunity; also with the Internet, there are opportunities galore. Stop always whinging about the rich; if you are not rich is your fault and nobody else.

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              • Uncle Bill:

                09 Oct 2008 1:20:47pm

                Cato, thank you very much for your comments, where you are coming from I have no idea. There will never be a system that is fair for all but if you can please the majority it has to be a good thing. By the way I am quite comfortable with my financial position.

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              • Evil Atheist Conspirator:

                09 Oct 2008 4:56:03pm

                "if you are not rich [it] is your fault and nobody else['s]."

                Nice. Please let all the folks with Down's Syndrome know, all those folks (like my late wife) who were born blind, all those folks with cerebral palsy, spina bifida, those born with a mental deficiency, those born to poor parents, etc etc.

                If you're rich, congratulations on making good choices when good opportunities arose, but seriously, don't kid yourself.... a simple change in circumstances would have prevented your success (a drunk driver finding you at 80+km/h would likely be more than enough).

                As TISM put it: who cares what you sow, when what you reap is "Greg! You missed the stop sign!"

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              • Trace:

                09 Oct 2008 6:15:10pm

                ' ... if you are not rich is your fault and nobody else.'

                No, Cato. In our hierarchical society, there are only so many spots for CEO's who get paid millions. Only so many spots for lawyers. Only so many professionals. Only so many ...

                And I would remind you that some of the most important jobs get nothing in terms of respect, or money. Mothers come to mind. So do many of the careers associated with caring (and women). I can think of nurses, cleaners, personal carers, teachers, and so on ...

                What about you? Do you, have you ever employed a cleaner. Do you ever think about the last nurse who treated you. I suppose it's their fault that they are not rich.


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              • watcha:

                09 Oct 2008 1:12:43pm

                It will be seen as a huge failure of this government if the pensioners/carers don't get a payrise by next year at the latest.

                The pension is not welfare as there was absolutely no chance of superannuation 20 years ago except for politicians and public servants. It was expected that people would be taxed during their working lives and then go onto the pension.

                Most single women on a pension today were expected to stay at home while their husbands remained the "breadwinners" of the Australian economy.

                The present governments mantra of "working families" is beginning to wear a little thin especially when consider that most "working families" have parents who are on the pension.

                Public opinion demands that the FREE UNIVERSITY EDUCATION this present group of politicians' recieved through the taxes of todays pensioners/carers be repaid in kind.

                If the government were to ignore the pensioners/carers they would do so at their own electoral peril.





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              • Flea:

                09 Oct 2008 4:19:28pm

                I work in an tax accounting office. The wealthy generally pay an accountant to do their tax because their tax is a lot more complicated.

                They still pay a lot more tax than someone on a low or average income.

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              • Perspective:

                09 Oct 2008 4:52:56pm

                ...and so it should be Flea. Contribution is the least they can offer....I'd be more than happy to do the same, its called Community, if you cant handle it, find another type of community.

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  • Patrick:

    09 Oct 2008 11:55:00am

    As a 64-year old, I believe I am very lucky to be living in such a rich country. By world standards, most Australians including most pensioners, are very well-off. My mother, over 90 years old, has access to excellent medical care and very good support from a wide range of government agencies. Both she and I are very fortunate.

    By contrast, there are many other groups in the world (including some groups in Australia) who are not nearly so well-off. Older Australians like me should give thanks for our luck to be living in Australia, and should concentrate on considering how we can help others, including poor people in poor countries, rather than lobbying for ever more govenment benefits.

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  • Patrick:

    09 Oct 2008 11:55:01am

    As a 64-year old, I believe I am very lucky to be living in such a rich country. By world standards, most Australians including most pensioners, are very well-off. My mother, over 90 years old, has access to excellent medical care and very good support from a wide range of government agencies. Both she and I are very fortunate.

    By contrast, there are many other groups in the world (including some groups in Australia) who are not nearly so well-off. Older Australians like me should give thanks for our luck to be living in Australia, and should concentrate on considering how we can help others, including poor people in poor countries, rather than lobbying for ever more govenment benefits.

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      • Green:

        09 Oct 2008 12:14:05pm

        Patrick, your upbeat attitude is really refreshing.

        So many of us get caught up in always wanting more, that we don't notice just how much we already have. Your admonition to think about how we can help others who are less fortunate than ourselves is a good philosophy and is more likely to help people to feel fulfilled than any increase in money or material possessions.

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          • rfnk:

            09 Oct 2008 11:56:16pm

            Good on the pair of you Patrick and Green! So true.

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  • waryofitall:

    09 Oct 2008 12:12:13pm

    I think the govt should have to publish its budget - balance sheet every year. We should be able to see where every cent goes. IN the same way we have to submit BAS every quearter, so should the governments, local, state and federal. That way we can see where it is being wasted, and where it is being well spent.

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  • Ronrat:

    09 Oct 2008 12:13:14pm

    Uncle Bill. Shame on you. Those with low incomes and less savings have paid more proportionately of income on sales tax, petrol tax, alcohol taxes and now GST than those who are better off. And in all likelihood have little or no super and less likely to own their own home. Do not usher in a Brave New World.

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      • johnno42:

        09 Oct 2008 1:19:13pm

        ronrat i agree totally, however it is only us folk who either are doing it tough or have done it tough, will ever have any regard, the rest don'y have a clue . Marie Antoinette's unforgettable line springs to mind

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  • Pamela:

    09 Oct 2008 2:56:46pm

    As a sixth generation Australian, I have never heard of that people were promised pensions to live on wholly without having savings etc. My grandparents worked and saved and knew that you should never rely on anyone to look after you.
    The pension is called an income support payment as it is just that. Of course you cannot live on the pension. It is an additional support for those who worked in years where there was no superannuation. It has never meant to be a payment that totally supports you.
    Having said that, I do personally believe we should have an Aged Pension similar to that of Norway where people who have contributed to Australia for over 40 years have a reasonalbe pension. Not all pensioners have "worked or contributed to Australian" society all their lives. Imagine low-income earners waking up and trying to get into work when they know they will be probably better off getting "depression" and going on the Disability Support Pension.


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  • Polony:

    09 Oct 2008 3:17:08pm

    As a younger person who will hopefully never need the pension, I have conflicting views.

    ON THE ONE HAND:

    - I have difficulty understanding why older people believed the government would look after them well and consider it acceptable to not save their own money. Although they did not have the benefits of microwave cookware, they were earning incomes in times of: cheap housing as a proportion of their income, the booming 50s and 60s, free university for their kids and high tarriff protections.

    - The basic economic truth that if you are unskilled labour then, unless you are born wealthy, marry wealthy, create a successful business or very lucky, you will struggle to make ends meet until you die was as true 50 years ago as it has been for several thousand years and is still true today. However, people who were poor 50 years ago had several decades to increase their skills and get a reasonable income. I know 60something CPAs who were once very poor and left school to care for family, but are now qualified and earning high incomes. If you are not severely disabled and do not choose to increase your income earning ability, it is your choice and your fault. Just because studying, working and looking after a family requires very long hours for several years, does not excuse you from your consequences of your decisions.

    - As a taxpaying wage slave, I do not want to pay for the poor decisions of people a generation older than me. If their continued existence considerably increases the tax people like me pay, we can very easily take our skills to countries with much lower taxes.

    - People with disabilities have the same costs of living but make a lot less noise. Increasing age pensions while ignoring disability pensions would be unfair and encourage squeaky wheels to make more noise simply because squeaking a lot works.

    - In the same way that competent accountants can help people organise their affairs to not pay tax, it is also quite easy for extremely wealthy people to get the full pension. They just need to structure their affairs to create the right answers on Centrelink's private trust and private company forms. Hence, any aged pension increase would give more money to extremely wealthy people at the expense of taxpayers like me.

    BUT:
    - Some old people, such as those who were disabled when young, have never had the opportunity to earn more than enough to subsist or increase their income earning ability. Similarly some old people have been hit by life in ways that destroyed their savings.

    - We should have some compassion because ALL human beings deserve respect.

    HENCE:
    A small increase in pensions such as $30 would be reasonable, but pensions should not be increased above basic subsistence levels.

    Pensions should be increased annually by the inflation rate of goods purchased by those struggling to subsist.

    Is this a reaso

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      • Tony Grant:

        09 Oct 2008 3:49:02pm

        Polony,

        A fair article, means testing and strict abolition of "pork barrelling" i.e. Howard government $500 for all "aged pensioners" for many this would just be a "good night out"! Too, the tax exemption for "super" just when he (Howard) was to retire! Blah! Blah!
        Taxation has never had a level playing field, the screams from "wealth" that more for them means more jobs etc! That was the start some 150 yrs ago for the "industrial revolution" free enterprise etc. Look at today with " Global Bailout 2008"???

        Just one point, the boomers/pre boomers had "wars" in their faces over 70 yrs and that does give these folk a gold star or two???

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          • Steve:

            09 Oct 2008 5:52:45pm

            Hard to see why the argument is economically relevant. If the representatives of the generations mentioned are veterans or their widows, they are entitled to different pension schemes. If they contributed money to Liberty Loans etc there were returns, and any money lost is an unfortunate economic choice, much as you can still lose money on superannuation.

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      • rfnk:

        09 Oct 2008 11:43:31pm

        I know this is a bit off the point of the article but where do all you people get the idea that university was free in Australia in the 50s and 60s? It wasn't until the 70s that uni. fees were abolished. Prior to that, quite a small proportion of young people went to university anyway (less than 30% I think). Trainee teachers made up a large proportion of uni. students. Nearly all of these were on scholarships and consequently bonded to serve within the various education systems for a number of years equal to the number of years in which they received their scholarship. Retention of the scholarship was also based, to some extent, on achievement of satisfactory academic standards. Without financial backing from a parent or other guarantor, student loans were simply not available - unlike HECS, which is available regardless of means and only required to be repaid when you have the means to repay it. A very big proportion of the students who complain about HECS today would not have been able to attend university at all if they'd been baby boomers unless they were prepared to take on certain careers which offered assistance through scholarships, and then meet the various responsibilities associated with maintaining their scholarship and later obligations. To be frank, I can't imagine some of the commentators on this ABC message board, managing the latter (I don't mean you Polony - like the great majority of younger people, baby boomers, gen whatever, I imagine you'd meet your responsibilities willingly and graciously).

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  • John C:

    09 Oct 2008 3:29:32pm

    The pension system will never met the needs of the people who solely rely on it. If you have no savings of your own you will find it hard. Governments always spend more than they make, the pension is income support only and as more people come to rely on it or in part rely on it, the greater the strain.

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  • henalf:

    09 Oct 2008 3:34:28pm

    Aussies always like a gamble! Rudd says wait and see as regards the OAP.I am a aged pensioner,and maybe another aged pensioner would like gamble his pension against mine on the toss of a coin.The winner gets two pensions,the loser a painless recycle. Rudd would probably agree,because it means considerable savings to the government. The odds are even. To go a step further,let three pensioners take the chance. Odd two to one,and so on up to ten gamblers,odds nine to one, and the winner gets ten pensions,and could become a capitalist. But what a saving for our miserable prime minister to contemplate.

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  • Tony Grant:

    09 Oct 2008 3:35:30pm

    Well, pensioners..... means testing and we don't have a problem with those that need a hand! We are Australia not the USA.... oh yeah, how many trillion have the "NEO-CONS" given to Wall St and all the other "bludgers"??????? For that matter all the banks and financial institutions around the world and many experts are saying..... it's no where enough $$$$$.

    Lets get it "correct" and I'm no "lover" of the Labor Party but I have been assured that come March/ April 09 those in need will be "much better off" and that was from the out going National Secretary of the Federal Labor Party a former associate of mine! I believe him 100%!

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      • W Paul:

        09 Oct 2008 5:24:12pm

        What about the aliens, or our own descendants, armed with time cameras? I think time cameras should be possible. In fact, actual time machines should be possible. Certain physicists aside, a blind prejudice against "global causality violations" is not an argument sufficient to overcome the fact that a closed time-like curve - time travel - is explicitly permitted by general relativity. This one gets even more complicated than the Fermi paradox or the matrix hypothesis, since we don't know any of the rules for time travel. It does appear that, under most theories, you can't go back to a time before you built the time machine, which is bad news for dead people. On the other hand, we might be able to find an existing time machine or a natural phenomenon (like a rotating black hole) that could be used to go back to before the dawn of human sentience.

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  • Aka:

    09 Oct 2008 5:23:32pm

    To add a little interest
    I would like to bring attention to the discussion and thought of who is going to be the taxpayers in 20-30 years time.

    One of the largest growing population of people in Australia are Indigenous , we have bigger families, earlier and I believe that the about 70% are under 20 (these figures are adjusted from about 2 years ago).

    I am not yet 50 and have 5 grandchildren and more on the way :)

    Gee whiz it makes good economic sense to ensure education health etc improve for Indigenous Australians as we will be quite a voting and taxpaying block in only a few short years.

    The baby boomers might be relying on the support of a younger generation with whom they do not really connect to...

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  • Garth:

    09 Oct 2008 5:35:49pm

    The particular circumstances in which pensions were introduced have disappeared years ago. Pensions will never be adequate, but I certainly agree that an increase is justified, but the levels should be set on some rational basis and indexed. It is true that most pensioners these days have some other means, whether from assets, savings or superannuation benefits. This trend will continue, while many others will not claim the pension at all because of the level of their superannuation benefits. Some fairly well off superannuants today are still able to claim a small pension but this gives them access to other benefits such as medical concessions.

    Notwithstanding all of this, I cannot resist the temptation to point to the most significant act of socialism the world has seen. I refer of course to the massive payments of corporate welfare, courtesy of the taxpayers, to bail out the greedy, irresponsible and unethical people who brought the world economy to its knees. And it is reported that some of these people not only get off without penalty and will continue to thrive, but will receive significant separation payments when they depart from the companies that they succeeded in ruining. Karl Marx, if he were alive today, would probably say, "I told you so". How sad it is!

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  • pamela:

    09 Oct 2008 6:00:08pm

    $273 is definitely not liveable even less so if the person must pay rent.
    $202 per week is even less liveable especially when you walk out of a detention centre with not even a blanket or a saucepan. This is what single refugees got after years in detention.
    If they are under 21years it is even less. Imagine a 19 year old boy from Darfur came out of Baxter and had to live eat and pay rent on $176 per week.
    This is the Special Benefit- the lowest payment of all reserved for refugees on temporary protection visas(TPVs).
    At least Labor are getting rid of TPV's.
    We need a fairer social security system for all.

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  • toto:

    09 Oct 2008 6:08:31pm

    Oh, poor pensioners...
    Pensioners should try living on a students allowance like I do, before they complain. My expenses are the same as theirs, but my government allowance is less.
    I would LOVE to be receiving the same as a single pensioner.

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  • John Herring:

    09 Oct 2008 7:27:38pm

    Leave the Age Pension and Disability Support Pension at 25% of average income only make that average income the average of Federal Politicians income, which would increase the income to aged and disabled pensioners from $273 per week closer to $514 per week, a far more fairer deal for those in need.

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  • rfnk:

    09 Oct 2008 8:42:57pm

    One million pensioners at about $273 each (disregard the other costs). if this is increased by $100 each, which is probably about what's needed, then that's about $20 000 pa, or about equivalent to the current annual surplus of $20b. My arithmetic's never been very reliable but i think that's about right, isn't it? This doesn't sound very achievable or sensible but we'd all like to see pensioners receive at least a decent living wage and close to $400 per week is probably about right. So, assuming that the cost of living isn't going to fall dramatically, the solution lies in reduction of the number of pensioners so that there are fewer people needing to share the available funds. So, we need to encourage self-funded retirement because the age pension is a very large part of the pensioner group. Other measures, like refusing the pension to the underserving, are not viable because the truly undeserving are few and the audit mechanisms cost more than the benefit gained (it seems).

    Back to self-funded retirement. State governments steal land tax from investors and increase the cost of housing through this same measure and all their other forms of theft related to housing and land transfers, so getting rid of state governments or, at least, stamp duties, land tax, mortgage tax etc., would help. They could also stop blackmailing their public with their withholding of land to make windfall profits rather than actually serving the public they don't realize elected them. This would make housing both more affordable for living or investment. The federal government could help by pretending, at least, to be a Labor Government and reintroducing the concept of a decent level of mandatory superannuation contributions by both employees and employers. This would have the added benefit of forcing some families to invest in their future income rather than throwing it into oversized and over-priced housing that they can't really afford. We'd all benefit from the fall in housing prices (investors included, in the long-term) that would ensue. Gee, the Labor Government could even manage super funds (shock, horror) to ensure a guaranteed return and use the funds for something actually worthwhile - like sustainable housing?

    It's pointless going on about the moral imperative of a decent level of welfare etc. What we need is action that is different to what's happening now. Should this be something like that I've offered above? Probably not - I'm sure there are gaping holes in it (only thought it up as I wrote it). But the money has to come from somewhere. We pay too much tax already - more is not an option. Let's hear some actual solutions please.

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  • rb:

    09 Oct 2008 8:57:23pm

    Centrelink reviews Age Pension entitlements every two years, taking into account personal assets such as bank-savings, old furniture, clapped-out vehicles, empty plots of land, etc. Then it applies a so-called deeming process to these assets to figure out ones annual income, before the Age Pension is doled out!

    As if one could use such 'assets' to purchase food or pay the utilities bills, rates, etc, etc!

    Furthermore, if one is lucky enough to be entitled to a part-superannuation (after the primary wage earner passes away), then every time that part-super goes up (in line with CPI increases), then the amount of Age Pension one gets is reduced.

    Therefore, the more one scrapes and saves during working years, the less likely are one's chances of getting an "Age Pension"!!

    Thats an invitation to bludgers; what is the point of planning ahead, scrapping and saving while working only to be penalized financially in the twilight years?

    It's not an increase in the "Age Pension" that is desperately required but a revision of the whole system used to calculate the entitlements.

    The end result is that under the current scheme many simply cannot make ends meet. No wonder many elderly go without food in order to meet recurring expenditure. It is a disgrace in a country as wealthy as Australia.

    The term "Age Pension" is at best an oxymoron. Under the existing regulations it should be renamed as 'Wealth Minimization Pension'.

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  • Lynne:

    09 Oct 2008 9:24:10pm

    I see an Australia bitter under a heavy taxation regime who looks where directed rather than remembering the many exposed indulgences that John Howard and similar politicians kicked off. He was the one who did exhorbitant renovations of Kirrabilli house and his royal airplane. He treated himself as a king and even though many prospered during his time many didn't and poverty and homelessness increased greatly. The statistics are there: the nineties heralded a surge in inequality with the income gap between the rich and the poor becoming immense.
    Private schooling surged under John Howard because support for public education and universities were reduced. People with or without enough money felt forced to give their children a better start in life than could be offered by a beseiged public school system. Credit cards allow people to do a lot of things.
    It was the Liberal party who expanded the parameters of the pension to allow those with superannuation and wealth to access the pension and pension benefits.
    A lot of pensioners are from an era where superannuation wasn't common. They're from an era where women stayed home. Why don't people direct their anger at the massive wealth accumulated by those at the top. They don't even pay taxes having the ability to access tax havens.
    As the wealth of the country is increasingly siphoned off to big business, people are looking for the lowest common denominator to blame. Don't think business covers their burden. There is so much damage to people's health and the environment that isn't factored in. Why do people casually now say "Cancer is on the increase" or that"We are in the midst of a cancer epidemic"?

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  • migrant:

    09 Oct 2008 10:55:41pm

    I was a professional people and had a good job before I came to australia. i though that i could find a job and had good life here. so i quit my job and came here, and years past i could not get any proper job because my english and my skills are useless here. after running out of saving i became a pensioner. i couldn't go back to where i came from because of my age. i applied hundreds of jobs, from lecture to nanny.
    nobody likes to be a pensioner. i went to centrelink and was insulted by someone there accusing me loudly using abusive language because i was truly useless here.
    i was a literature lecturer before and here i was looking for a nanny job. no confidence, no dignity, and feeling hopeless.
    my only hope is in my child. they speak english and study hard.
    however, i thank australia, very good environments for children. me, no future, but very good for my child.

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  • Dianthus:

    09 Oct 2008 11:10:28pm

    John C, the Age Pension is not an income support payment and you are expected to live on it. If it was an income support payment I would have been allowed to take part in the NEIS program which assists those who want to start a small business. As it was I was deemed ineligible and must therefore continue to rely on the Age Pension.

    Cato, not everyone is wealth crazy like you, they just want sufficient to live decently. To you, I would like to say who is going to clean, nurse, undertake social work, child care or look after the aged if we all chase wealth for selfish reasons. There are some people, thank goodness who undertake occupations that contribute to the wellbeing of others not just their own self interest.

    Most of the struggling pensioners are female who are divorced or widowed. They may never have been employed or they managed on minimal wages because the majority of women are underpaid or paid a great deal less than men. Most of these women were expected to be dependent on their husbands but this does not always work out in real life. Husbands have a habit of straying in middle age or dying before their wives sometimes after lengthy expensive illnesses.

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  • mikej:

    09 Oct 2008 11:43:48pm

    the pension should be for those incapable of supplying for their livelihood as they enter old age. a retirement age of 65 is certainly entering old age. i see my father and how age has not been kind. yet these young "free marketeers" are so " fend for yourself or starve". their total lack of compassion is breath-taking!
    society needs to be just that- society. look it up..a group as a whole with a common interest. surely those who have pai 40 yrs of taxes deserve not to live way below the poverty line.
    my mother in law is now on the single pension after her husband passed awaynowcan now no longer afford to live in her own home as the ongoing costs are simply too much. her rates are half her pension! she is hardly there, 0and how do you convince a 76 yr old to sell or rent her marital home?
    the so low level of compassion and empathy here leaves me saddened.
    with this current financial disaster my super/pension fund has lost thousands anbd all of not my doing. who gives these small flacid dicks the right to squander my money? i would much rather pay my taxes and receive a pension on my retirement--means tested.those who have no need receive less ,those in need receive more
    but like car rego used to go to mains roads for roads and now goes to general revenuei ,i suppose our taxes go to the upkeep of the "surpluss" instead of our well being

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  • 'thinkin':

    10 Oct 2008 12:47:39am

    We retirees obviously do have a problem. There is another unspoken aspect, and it is time to lift that lid. There are many superanuants who are partly self funded, who are simply rorting the system - to the detriment of those retirees who are in real trouble. There are just so many $'s. We have a similar hyena profile in the tax system - to the detriment of our poor old 'average joe'. These hyenas absorb resources unfairly, and they also provide poor image of the retiree class overall. I suspect that we are fair game for that famous quote - 'let 'em eat cake' - ominously delivered from the big end of town - the hyenas - the untouchables.

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