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Critics come to the aid of the (education) revolution

By Chris Bonnor

Posted November 26, 2008 09:28:00
Updated November 26, 2008 09:48:00

New York City's School Chancellor Joel Klein

Joel Klein's arrival has been accompanied by unanswered questions about the extent of his improvements to schools in NYC.

Australia has gained from ideas and cultures originating beyond our shores - so it might seem churlish to dismiss criticisms of our schools by two high profile citizens of the USA. After all, one of them is Rupert Murdoch and he is half Australian. The other is Joel Klein, Chancellor of the New York City Department of Education.

In his latest speech in the Boyer lecture series, Murdoch says tens of thousands of children are being betrayed by a system that fails to provide quality education. He is right, to a point - we have a long tail of underachieving kids. And he has some good suggestions - there is a place for business investment in education as long as it doesn't worsen the divides between schools and between communities. A few years ago principals in NSW joined with Goldman Sachs JBWere in a scholarship scheme to help students complete their studies. This support kept achieving role models in their existing school and community.

There is potential to expand such programs but the role of business has to be considered very carefully. England's privately supported academies are often cited as success stories, but the reality on the ground can be quite different. Many academies have folded and others are accused of excessively cherry-picking their enrolments - a sure pathway to school 'success'.

Joel Klein's arrival has been accompanied by unanswered questions about the extent of his improvements to schools in NYC. Anyone can admire his energy and commitment, and even some of his ideas. It's just that the evidence, other than that offered by Klein himself, questions the claims made about student achievement under his stewardship.

Anyone can review the evidence. Go to http://nces.ed.gov/nationsreportcard/pdf/dst2007/2008455.pdf - if you are not sure what to do just ask a kid from one of our disgraceful schools. The document you'll find is one of many showing results of national testing in the USA. Check them out, then for more analysis go to http://www.soscanberra.com/

You'll soon find yourself wondering why Julia Gillard, with her apparent commitment to evidence-based policy, has adopted Klein as a guru and NYC as a model. Even more puzzling is why we look to the USA (and England) for solutions to our apparent problems. After all, according to Rupert Murdoch, public education systems are a disgrace in countries such as Australia, Britain and particularly the United States.

Murdoch should leave Australia out of this company. Even the kindest interpretation of international testing places kids in the USA and Britain as just average or below average - our students are above average. And why blame the Welsh and the Scots? They have largely managed to avoid the excess silliness of many of Blair's reforms.

But the three places do have something else in common: we all have, or want, a regime of testing, ranking, naming and shaming schools. We are adopting a punishment culture for our schools. It resonates well, but why have so many leading education systems managed to avoid much of this nonsense? Everyone talks about Finland, but Canada, much of Europe and East Asia manage to register strong achievement by focusing on the carrot rather than the stick.

In our search for answers why do we parade the likes of Rupert and Joel? Maybe my own experience as a new principal in two schools suggests the answer. It's easy to achieve initial success: you say the right things, get some quick runs on the board and keep most people happy. That probably also sums up the first year of the Rudd government.

But unless you solve the really hard issues the criticism will start to mount. Rudd and Gillard have chosen to attack the critics, supported by some high profile intervention. They need to make long term and even unpopular decisions, including how to raise standards in a framework of schools which has been busy separating out the advantaged from the disadvantaged. Apart from anything else this is a part explanation for our underachieving tail.

Changing the odds for these kids, teachers and schools is a tough ask. It isn't enough to parade the heroes, those people who have seemingly made a difference for underachieving kids against the odds. And many are remarkable people - Gillard has mentioned several school principals in this category. We can learn from people like this.

But the significant changes are going to rely on hardworking ordinary professional teachers and principals. Their names may never be up there in lights but they will do better when she stops shaming them with high profile critics and the war stories of successful heroes - and expands her effort to even the odds, especially for our teachers and kids in disadvantaged schools.

To achieve this she needs to forget about the revolution and start on the reconstruction.

Chris Bonnor is co-author with Jane Caro of The Stupid Country - How Australia is dismantling public education, UNSW Press. He also manages a website, the Future Education Forum.

Tags: education, schools, public-schools, teachers, australia, united-states

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  • twobob:

    26 Nov 2008 10:18:54am

    What a well written and thought out article.
    The education level of kids is not just the responsibility of the schools and their teachers. It is also the responsibility of their parents. It is almost imposable to teach a child the value of reading if his or her parents are not readers. If they see mum or dad reading a newspaper or a book it is likely that they will want to emulate them. If they never see this happen then at least subconsciously they think that there is little to no value in the exercise. This sets a trend because it is the socio economic underperformers whos kids have the most trouble, poor kids from poor families whose parents dont stress the value of education. Changing this is how you will change outcomes and adopting underperforming American or British ways is as the author has said simply an easy fix short term cop out by the present government. Shame Julia shame.

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      • Peter:

        26 Nov 2008 10:55:12am

        Indeed, a very good article.

        Business and industry do have a place in education but not as sponsors of schools. What their role must be is to add to the curriculum development cycle so that students are appropriately educated and prepared for the workforce when they leave school.

        It is no good teaching people how to make buggy whips in the automotive age as an example. What the government must realise is that the required action will not be quick or necessarily popular but it needs to be done to make sure our children and youth are not left behind.

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          • chalkie:

            26 Nov 2008 4:05:15pm

            I wonder if Gillard would countenance liberalising school finding to allow / encourage alternative funding / schooling models (and not just open it up to more faith-baed schools)?

            I suspect not: rather, the future is monolithic, centralised behemoths lumbering from one intiative to another policy statement. I think that Gillard would be deaf to the explosion of charter schools in the US that offer such innovation.

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              • Neal:

                26 Nov 2008 5:52:17pm

                I suspect the bigger problem will be the teachers unions.

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              • Id:

                27 Nov 2008 8:19:01am

                Didn't take long for that to surface, did it?
                It's always the fault of the unions. The same people who got us the eight hour day, paid leave, superannuation etc,all paid for by previous unionists,not by the present crop of know-alls who take it all and pay nothing for it.
                The "dark satanic mills" are all forgotten ,are they?

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              • Somewhat Perplexed:

                26 Nov 2008 8:13:02pm

                I would be hoping the funding remains public.

                We have a TAFE where a promenent figure offers scolarships. According to some senior lecturers I have spoken to, said prominent figure has tried to influence cirriculum to suit his company.

                Good for him but he is only 10 percent of the market in that industry. I do not want education the Rupert way. I want it broad based and free from commercial interest (read bias).

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      • Bullfrog:

        26 Nov 2008 11:08:36am

        It is amazing the difference a home environment can make. A few months I ended up being guardian for my nephew. His parents had separated, and with mum working odd hours, the support at home was limited. Further, his mother had not had any post school education, and wasn't much of a reader.

        A few months with us, my nephew has moved from not reading at all, to reading for pleasure. He's actually chosen to go the library to get additional books (his grandfather had commented that he didn't think my nephew knew what a library was). Both my wife and I are avid readers.

        Additionally, his schoolwork has improved, as both my wife and I have university level education, and have an ability to assist my nephew with his studies. This from both a straight knowledge point of view, and an ability to research those things we aren't familiar with. Many of his behavioural issues have significantly reduced (not fixed yet, but certainly improving).

        To me, this immediate example shows what a difference the home environment can make.

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      • John Michaels:

        26 Nov 2008 2:08:42pm

        I teach over 120 kids and out of that I can say only 10 parents check the homework. Parents don't want to do it. They send their kids to school so they can palm off the responsibility to someone else and then say it was not their fault for the kids failing at anything and everything in life. It also doesn't matter how good a teacher someone may be. These kids attention span is about as long as a 30 second junk food commercial and most of their inspiration comes from the latest PS3 game.

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          • Another view:

            27 Nov 2008 8:09:17am

            John, I take your point, however please understand that there are parents out here who really do try to work as a part of the education triangle by supporting their children, by supporting their school, and by actively participating in the teaching of their children.

            My wife and I have raised two boys, now both at University, and we checked their work every day. We discussed with them their classes and subject matter, and did all we could to assist both them and the schools.

            Cheers

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      • Canberrakid:

        26 Nov 2008 2:59:47pm

        Twobob where do you break that cycle? Surely it is easier to encourage students to read at school than it is to encourage parents to read at home?

        But either way I think that you and Chris Bonner have missed an important part of Joel Klein's approach in New York - that is coupled with accountability is empowerment. The New York system has been changed from a top down centralised bureaucracy to a system that empowers schools, principals (and teachers?) to be innovative, to differentiate.

        The ACT public school system, also allows innovation, differentiation and specialisation - to great success (I have recently finished year 12 in the ACT and can testify to this). But I am concerned that a national approach to educaion might impose a NSW HSC type system that has much less room for innovation.

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  • Gweneth:

    26 Nov 2008 10:20:24am

    Here, here! We are staring down the collapse of a first class public school system because of a decade of advice from people who have no credentials in terms of education. Klein and Murdoch know nothing about education. They are in positions of power and can influence a world they will never inhabit. Klein has been working his "miracle" cure for two years! In education that is not even past the first stage of implementation - the damage he is doing will not show up for another three years and then, no doubt, he will have moved on to bigger and better things. Parents - wake up!

    Teachers know what it takes and how long it will take but they are the last group to be consulted. Well, teachers have a voice at the ballot box and the longer this nonsense continues the more certain it is that they will use it, as they did in WA, to send a message to governments of any persuasion.

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  • Matt:

    26 Nov 2008 10:21:36am

    I completely agree.
    The education system, for example, in the United States is probably the worst in any first world nation - with the crowning idiocy of it being the 'No child left behind' policy.

    Britain, with it's increasing influence of corporate and religious groups, is little better.

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      • Bertrand:

        26 Nov 2008 10:54:10am

        Do you have any idea whatsoever re what you are talking about. No one is saying we emulate the Alhabhama state education system, but the Californian and New York systems are world leaders.

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          • mlad:

            26 Nov 2008 11:05:14am

            matt didnt read the article but was keen to get his thoughts out there on the internet

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              • River:

                26 Nov 2008 11:32:01am

                C'mon Matt read the article before putting that statement out there.

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          • Greg:

            26 Nov 2008 1:38:20pm

            California and New york education systems are world class?

            Hahaha... those systems have a lot of kids who cannot read or write properly and lack the basic numeric skills!

            Asian nations have far better education systems compared to the substandard and dysfunctional California and NY systems.

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              • Mark:

                26 Nov 2008 4:15:29pm

                Asian schools enforce discipline, aren't afraid to tell kids when their work is not good enough, and are held accountable. None of that could be said about schools here.

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  • seajae:

    26 Nov 2008 10:28:02am

    well she did the unexpected with business employees so lets hope she is willing to do the right thing here and not the popular thing. Love him or hate him Howard at least did what he thought was right for the country, didnt matter if it was popular with the public , Gillard needs to do the same thing with education.

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      • Doh:

        26 Nov 2008 10:44:00am

        Yes, we need somebody with conviction and a positive plan. The big problem with educational reform is that it tends to be viewed in terms of fixing and remediation.

        Start with ensuring that all children get the support they need to learn to read, and then think about phase two.

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          • seajae:

            26 Nov 2008 11:12:32am

            spot on mate, lets hope they can deliver.

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              • katie:

                26 Nov 2008 1:22:07pm

                Unpopular as this may be, dont limit to the low achievers picking up thier level, this aim needs to be about all children reaching thier full potential, and able to get the support to do so...

                In high school as a student in the top math class struggling with particular topics thier was no help avaliable to me, my parents had to seek out and pay for private tutoring (which was an issue and ment i had to drop an extra cirricular activity). In contrast friends in the lower math classes who were having difficulty with particular topics were given free tutoring.

                Although there would be many school without the low achievement levels everyone is concerned about, i bet those students are not meeting thier potential

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              • Celsius100:

                26 Nov 2008 2:04:44pm

                Yes they can deliver, however they need a broad base of ideas from which to gain perspective. I encourage everyone to consider their learning experiences and those of their children and grand children and asses them. Then write a coherent letter or draw a diagram showing where it went right and where it went wrong for you and those family members you observe. Singles must do the same as many of us are going to remain single for large periods of our lives.

                Keep in mind that huge sums of money are not necessarily what is needed. Many of the facilities exist in the hands of researchers and producers at all levels. Find a way to help them and they can be encouraged to help the education system. We can really make beneficial changes here that will stand as a monument for all time. Education needs a revolution. It cannot remain as the closed community it appears to many people. Above all, education and learning must become life-long for all of us if we hope to rise out of the ashes of the fires of the industrial revolution.

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      • Scoot:

        26 Nov 2008 12:43:00pm

        The problem is, Gillard has no idea what is good for education. She is a populist politician with no teaching background. As such she should let educational reforms be driven by educators who care about children, not ageing media barons or US gurus.

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          • Barry:

            26 Nov 2008 3:27:39pm

            I am definitely not begging for some faceless public servant or populist parliamentarian to fix the education system in this country but it was the education reformers that cared deeply about what and how the children were taught that got us in this position in the first place.

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              • Ads:

                26 Nov 2008 8:40:10pm

                And the evidence you have to support this comment is what? Or is it is just what you think is true. Facts please not rhetoric.

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              • Barry:

                26 Nov 2008 10:10:03pm

                "Prove your points with facts not your rhetoric", the old fashioned cry of those involved in the problem or their apologists. Unions and "Education" groups have been pointing to how things are done "Overseas" and beaten us around the head for years. Now that they've failed and prominent people point this out (not just the ever day person who's bemoaned the standard for a decade or more) you point to facts. Which ones do you want, the ones where the children you ssay you support but can't read what you've written, the fact that most year 7 \ 8's in this country can't carry out simple mathematics with some sort of calculating device (phone, calculator, computer) the fact that "progressive" teaching tells us we can change history to suit todays sensitivities not the attitude of the era in which it occured. The facts you wish to see have been painted over by those that don't wish them to resurface to show todays educators for what they are. FRAUDS.

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              • Nutts:

                26 Nov 2008 11:30:15pm

                Ads, You appear to be in denial. Is this because you are one of the "Educators" previously trusted to pass on this new age, sensitivity adjusted information using the modern "Only for the young" instructional methods or are you just an apologist for the neuvo intelligentsia. Either way the system has failed an entire generation of children.

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              • Ads:

                27 Nov 2008 12:41:11am

                Another sweeping generalisation "the system has failed an entire generation of children." I do not claim the system is perfect, I believe it needs to be changed, I agree there are people teaching that should not be. I am most certainly not in denial. I just dont like it when people make statements that are purely emotional and have little factual basis. Yes the system has failed students, how many is up for debate. By saying it has failed an entire generation you are saying that there is a generation of non-achievers and that the only people to blame are people involved in education. This absolves everyone else from responsability and smacks of victimisation.
                By the way, why is it everytime I disagree with someone I am an apologist for the intelligentsia?

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  • Don:

    26 Nov 2008 12:17:16pm

    It seems we continue to import gurus from anywhere else but Australia and then accept everything they tell us without critical analysis, even when their ideas have been shown up at home to be doubtful. We then apply those ideas and continue with them long after they have been shown to be disastrous in their country of origin. We do this in many areas, not just education.
    When are going to learn.

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  • ribald:

    26 Nov 2008 12:27:12pm

    sounds like gillard is just choosing a different tact to send the same message as the Howard govt did. When in doubt, blame the teachers and/or principals. With Howard, it was branding all public school teachers as lefty loonies but whereas Gillard chooses to attack the credentials of teachers. At the end of the day, neither the previous Howard govt or Gillard prefer to put some of this responsibility on the childrens' parents because it is these very same negligent parents who are the ones who swung their votes from Howard (xenophobia) to Rudd (hip pocket) in the last election, and Julia wants to make sure they continue to vote for Rudd in the next one. This is just another form of dog whistling.
    She thinks teachers would still vote Labor regardless...but I have only three words to say to you, Julia...the Australian Greens!

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      • Greg:

        26 Nov 2008 1:40:19pm

        I think Julia is well aware even if the teachers vote for Australian greens, the preferences will eventually flow back to Labor - this is in effect a Labor vote.

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          • ribald:

            26 Nov 2008 2:40:47pm

            Yes...but the ALP will be in for rude shocks when (based on first preferences) they find some of their safe ALP seats becoming more marginal.

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              • Spooky:

                26 Nov 2008 3:37:02pm

                Particularly if the Liberals give their preferences to the Greens.

                That means in strong ALP/Green areas, there is a good chance that the Greens (with Liberal assistance) will beat the Labor candidate.

                Preferences can bite both ways, it seems.

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              • Beej:

                26 Nov 2008 11:32:53pm

                In what millenium will the Coalition parties preference the Greens? I wouldn't bet the house on that one coming true in the next several life times.

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  • Terry:

    26 Nov 2008 12:41:45pm

    Good sense from a teacher on the ground. But can I raise an issue with the phrase "disadvantaged schools"?
    There are disadvantaged students and a critical mass of them may constitute a 'disadvantaged school' but this is not the same as a poorly equipped school or even one with below-average teachers.
    The home background is critical to school performance and hard to compensate for. But it needs to be recognised and that is what politicians and others are unwilling to do.
    A teacher cannot, in the few hours available, make up for a household with no interest in education, no books, neglect issues and no discipline (unless its violent).
    We need to recognise this issue and prepare some strategies - aleague table of schools will only help entrench it.

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      • katie:

        26 Nov 2008 1:31:32pm

        I disagree.

        A teacher CAN instill a love of learning in students from a home with one..

        The issue is attitudes like that, and that there isnt enough teachers who love thier job and put that little bit extra in, we all had that special teacher at some time that made learning fun, raised our grades and made us look forward to that particular class - now imagine if all your teachers where like that, where would we all be now....

        I talk to friends that are in thier first few years of teaching or still at uni, who have this wonderful positive attitude, who recognise that not only is this one of the most important jobs in the country (shaping the future leaders) but why it is, and what they need to do to contribute to that.. Sure they havent been burnt by the system yep, but these positive attitudes will go a long way

        I agree that it isnt the teachers job to contribute where the family is not, but i disagree that in the absense of a passion for leaning at home a teacher cannot make up for that.

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          • cu:

            26 Nov 2008 2:48:42pm

            "now imagine if all your teachers where like that, where would we all be now...."
            Now imagine if all students wanted to learn and get on with their education.
            Unfortunately they are not all suited to the same form of education.
            I have observed unruly, darn annoying fellow students who are down right impossible to teach in main stream education.
            They make it hard for the teachers especially and everyone else in the class.
            I believe it is because they are bored and not suited to main stream education.
            I believe there is a solution.
            Some are more suited to being in the work force and often forge ahead and become very successful people.
            For those that have to stay at school because of age, we need alternative education for these students.
            Some might be interested in a trade, or craft. Dont see too many crafts being taught seriously these days and with society as it these skills would generate a lot of revenue for this country.
            I guess the most important point I would get across is that we are the adults, they are the children. If what we are doing is not working, then we as adults have the ability to change it to suit the children/students.
            Dont give up on the kids. Mentor them, make them feel worthwhile and they will grow into good adults with some self esteem.

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              • L:

                26 Nov 2008 4:27:44pm

                How will getting the dumb ones to weave baskets help?

                Crafts are not popular these days because they are not relevant. How is spending 3 weeks knitting something tacky going to compete with some trendy designer piece that anyone can pick up for $10 from IKEA?

                These days crafts are made by people living in abject poverty. What are you on about?

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              • cu:

                26 Nov 2008 5:13:58pm

                Lol, I had a laugh at your comment.
                Firstly I am not suggesting they are dumb. If they were dumb it would be easy. They wouldnt give a damn hoot about anything and wouldnt know enough to care.

                I dont believe that all the disruptive ones are dumb and they dont all come from disadvantaged families either.
                I believe they are BORED.
                Crafts might not be the answer to all the problems and they
                will have to want to do it first.
                There are alot more crafts than knitting and basket weaving.
                There are a few mastercraftsmen left but not many and it is a shame to that culture die.
                There is woodworking, sculpture, pottery, macrame sculpture, glass blowing, metal ware and so on ......... A lot come under Art as well.
                Recently,with the down turn in the economy I was thinking it would be great to see a revival of these arts and crafts to get cottage industries going again so Australians could make and sell our talents in a traditional way. We could get pensioners knitting and crocheting and maybe teaching small groups.
                Its a pity society doesnt recognise that what is hand made is probally going to last a lot longer than commercially made.

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              • L:

                26 Nov 2008 7:02:54pm

                Yeah I had a giggle whie I was writing it too.

                I don't think they're dumb but I thinks it's going to be a battle to get a kid to choose crafts over the playstation. Build a wall or destroy a city? I reckon most teenage boys would rather the latter.

                I too lament the loss of artisan skills that are dying out with their elderly masters. Stonework and liquid plastering are both useful skills that could be taught to lads that the current education system is not particularly suited to. Makes a place look great too! It depends on where you live, but there's plenty of work there if you're good enough to do it well.

                Wouldn't it be great if some of the girls could show off their millinery skills at the races?

                Sadly most of us would rather sit here blogging about it than making it happen though (unfortunately I must include myself in there too).

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              • Celsius100:

                26 Nov 2008 6:02:28pm

                No that is not true. Crafts, irrespective of what we may have been told are actually a very important part of development. If we had no modern manufacturing systems we would rely on craft techniques. They also promote development of understanding of materials, basic physics, colour and in an educational environment they can help identify learning differences that one might assume obvious, such as which is the dominant hand, spatial differences and so on.

                Sometimes they become a lifelong hobby. It is too early to assume that mass manufacturing will always be available to us.

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  • chrispy:

    26 Nov 2008 1:07:38pm

    I've heard several people say "I want to put (my childs name) in to a private school so he/she can get a better job". I don't think I've ever heard "I want to put (my childs name) in a better school so he/she can improve their life". Maybe we've all forgotten the reason that we really go to school and it has just become an annoying stage of life where we get pigeonholed. I don't have the answer but I recognise we are on the wrong track.

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  • Celsius100:

    26 Nov 2008 1:49:13pm

    An essential component of the education process is how one is brought up. One can learn from parents, siblings & extended family members. Just learning to love reading is a great step and family assistance is extremely useful. "Bullfrog" made an excellent point about this.
    My Mum & Dad both loved to read and kept a living room of books on all subjects and genres, acquired in any legal fashion. One can, if one starts to build a base of knowledge early, learn anything from books. It needs to be guided with advice about discerning what is fact or fiction which is all part of education and childhood experimentation is essential. This is a key point where our education falls down. Many of the pedagogs have a view of how education should happen and that is the only way acceptable! No other opinions are valid in their view. Unfortunately cognitive science is showing that there are different types of brains. The simple and dated educational model fails because it assumes that competitive classroom education will work for every child. What will work for everychild is the tools they are born with, learn by experiment.

    Children are born learning by experimental means ( often everything gets the taste test) even if those approaches are not approved of by many parents who prefer a pristine tidy house to one that stimulates learning. As a society we can greatly and relatively cheaply facilitate this education by ensuring that tools and consumeables of all our valued skills are readily available with some safe instruction, early in a childs life experience. Microscopes, telescopes, lathes, drills, robots, small furnaces, forges, hammers, files, electronic components, chemicals, chemistry sets, glass working equipment, wood 7 metal working equipment, lab glassware, computer modelling tools, CAD-CAM machines, working models of equipment, art materials, books, test & measuring equipment, tours of laboratories, access to laboratories, libraries, industrial facilities, farms of various types and so-on. This is where industry can play a part that is so valuable a price cannot be put on it.

    Producers can make scrap and waste available, allow tours of their facilities, take on work experience kids, run or participate in holiday programs. Often children do not know what occupational opportunities are really out there. I was horrified to find how out of date the vocational guidance people at my childrens schools were! This includes public and independent schools. Add these opportunities to the huge number of sporting opportunities that are available in Australia and the mind and body will choose to develop themselves together.

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  • Effem:

    26 Nov 2008 2:19:06pm

    Keep business partnerships out of our schools, already they have pervaded universities with grants for this and grants for that, and what had become of the results of the research...zilch. If we want the very best for our kids and their education, instead of the US and England we should be looking at Europe, very few private schools. Finland stands out on its' own, with a much smaller population, much smaller resources than us, but their standard of education is much higher. The private school system is draining the taxpayer dollars, just look at their swimming pools, sports fields, their buildings. Share their wealth and their teachers, and we too would be up there with the best of them.

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      • chalkie:

        26 Nov 2008 3:49:38pm

        The very expensive private schools - and I teach at one - are barely funded by the govt: mine about $3000/student vs about $10 000 for a state school student. Parents stump up the rest via fees and donations leaving each student getting about $16-17 000 per year.

        While some of this excess goes towards facilities, most goes towards staffing and various layers of intervention (pastoral, academic and co-curricular). Frankly, many state school parents would not stomach the level of expectation, on the kids and also on them, that comes from such private schools. It is this cultural and support environment that makes the difference and this will be hard to transfer to state schools: too expensive, too 'bossy' and too politically difficult.

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          • Bullfrog:

            26 Nov 2008 4:09:54pm

            Chalkie,
            I'd have to agree regarding expectations on behalf the parents etc. If the parents are finding nearly $14000 per year for their kid's education, then parents have a fairly serious investment on their hands. The parents are much more likely to see the school as more than a glorified baby sitter.

            There are some excellent public schools. There are some poor private schools. However, in my experience of watching which schools continue perform at the top at sports, drama, music, academics, etc, the public schools get an occasional mention. And frequently the teacher that achieved that will be offered a lucrative position at a private school. They don't always take that position, but many are tempted by better pay, no forced transfers, etc, etc.

            So bottom line, the parents are more likely to care if they've actively made a choice about the school. The kids are more likely to be better supported. They are also more likely to given a little bit more push, to really stretch their abilities.

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              • Randall:

                27 Nov 2008 1:03:12am

                I think my folks sent me to a private school just to get me out of their hair. Plenty of my schoolmates thought they were there for the same reason.

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          • John O:

            27 Nov 2008 10:13:04am

            I don't believe ANY public money should go to private schools. Governments don't support private industry except in cases of national interest why should we support private schools. If parents want private schooling they should eb prepared to pay for all of it.

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  • deekar :

    26 Nov 2008 2:23:00pm

    Most of what you say is very sensible Chris. The question does remain why Julia Gillard is continuing this teacher /school bashing mantra from the previous government.

    Applying economic rationalist practices, ( standardised testing, league tables etc etc) is an absolutely ignorant approach to education reform.This stick wielding approach is convenient for politicians out of touch with education reform. Schools are primarily about relationship building, character development and then developments of understandings and skill development. Schools have to be places of trust, security, mutual respect and compassion. Teachers must be trusted, respected and continually re-skilled. Schools, teachers and students must work in ,fully resourced, supportive environmentally sound and sustainable workplaces.. What most teachers and students in government schools around Australia put up with is second rate.
    Yet data for what its worth show Australia does better than most compared to the world.
    SO lets get some real action happening and stop this responsibility shirking teacher /school bashing game that Julia and most politicians from both sides, ( except the Greens) and of course the conservative right wing think tanks and associated wankers carry on with
    ENOUGH IS ENOUGH.

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      • chalkie:

        26 Nov 2008 3:53:06pm

        Good point: why the school and teacher bashing?

        I am sure it is popular. As a teacher I often encounter resentment towards modern schooling approaches and a general simering anti-intellectualism that feels (because it cannot articulate) that anything the punter does not understand must be wrong. Perhaps too it is part of the general dissatisfaction with public institutions, fostered by the 6:30 anguish-mongering 'current affair' shows.

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          • Spooky:

            26 Nov 2008 4:20:25pm

            Why bash schools and teachers? Because they are the easy targets.

            Teachers have to deal with all the problems of society, distilled into teenagers. They have to deal with kids under the influence of drugs, alcohol, or simple dunderheadedness. In essence, they are expected to pick up the pieces of society and somehow salvage a passing grade.

            How can we fix the education system, when we dont even respect the teachers? When they have the gall to ask for a liveable wage, the government simply refuses to negotiate. And when the teachers are forced to strike, they are pulled over the coals by the public, while the government laughs.

            If people want to fix the education system, then they need to treat teachers like professionals again. If you take them for granted, expect them to leave.

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      • jak:

        26 Nov 2008 3:56:14pm

        Deekar: this isn't teacher bashing, its system bashing.

        Education outcomes will greatley improve if there is greater accountability, flexibility, choice, information and competition - both for consumers (students/parents) and producers (schools). This has been demonstrated time and time again throughout all aspects of society.

        You say: "Schools have to be places of trust, security, mutual respect and compassion." I agree, but wishing something is so does not make it so. It certainly would not describe my experience at school.




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          • chalkie:

            26 Nov 2008 4:20:07pm

            Well, no - often the means of measuring performance skews education.

            Let me explain how: usually performance has to use 'objective' measures, mostly test results. The most common measure is pass rates in core subjects (English, maths, science, perhaps history).

            This introduces two big problems: the pressure to 'triage' kids, by trying to ditch the 'certain to fail's, ignore the 'certain to pass's and focus all your attention on those who may not pass but have the capacity to.

            The next problem is that the test becomes the curriculum. If it isn't on the test, then it isn't taught. Non-testable subjects are technically on the books to meet regulations but in practice PE is cancelled due to 'weather', LOTE, arts and others just get ditched for literacy or numeracy development (because they're on the tests).

            Finally, there is the incentive to offer incentives to smart kids to come to your school. You offer music programs, have a flash Mandarin language program (attracts Chinese kids - great for the maths scores) or individual learning programs (read - special coaching). You make sure your school (if it is private) has the very least special needs support to deter the academically poor or those poor buggers with learning problems.

            As a result, education is the poorer but the test results are fantastic, unless you are in a poor, high-migrant, indigenous area and these tricks just don't work.

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              • Bullfrog:

                26 Nov 2008 4:35:02pm

                And as happens in Queensland, in order to get a better Core Skills ranking, teachers actively encourage the academically challenged to be 'sick' on the day of the test, to increase the ranking of the school.

                How we define the metrics for this type of school ranking is a real challenge. Basics (readin', 'ritin' and 'rithmetic') mean damn little unless you take into account socio-economic background, including language issues, education levels of the parents, working hours of the parents, etc, etc, etc. Makes a huge difference to the outcome (see my post above about the difference family life made to one kid).

                Done correctly, the metrics could allow for better targetting of funds. Done poorly (and very simply), it'll just be used to bash particular schools. However, to make it useful for decision makers, it'll be challenging for some (many) parents to understand. And that is through no fault of their own, it is just that they are unlikely to have had to really think through all the different factors influencing educational outcome.

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              • Spooky:

                26 Nov 2008 4:53:02pm

                Yes, the triage process is quite widespread in our system. Triage is only used when a system is competent, but the resources are limited.

                The teachers focus on the borderlines, leave the gifted to their own devices and abandon the dunces. Until they have more manpower, resources and funding, there is little more they can be expected to do.

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              • jak:

                26 Nov 2008 4:58:29pm

                You are right that there are no perfect solutions. However, reducing, choice, information and flexibility will simply reduce academic performance and foster inequality.

                If parents are able to have greater choice about which school to send their child, poor people will not be condemned to attending badly performing schools. It will also force poorly performing schools to improve standards if parents/students can vote with their feet.

                If schools/teachers/heads of dept. have greater flexibilty, innovation will increase and performance will raise. Moreover teaching methods can be tailored for their particular student group.

                Standardised testing will improve the information available to both parents and teachers. Consequently this will improve decision making, accountability, and therefore it will also improve education outcomes.

                Your example uses a very simple performance metric. Much more sophistocated ones can be used, accounting for the initial ability of the student, and thus ensuring that an incentive exists for all students to be given a good education.

                Moreover, you are assuming that parents wouldn't also base their school choice on other factors, such as a schools sporting, music or anti-bullying programs - thus forcing schools to demonstrate performance in these areas if parents are given choice.

                Human nature is universal: there is no reason to assume that teachers are any different. Poor incentive stuctures will generate sub-optimal results in education just as with any other industry.

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  • John Michaels:

    26 Nov 2008 2:33:45pm

    This is a good article that looks at community involvement in schools in order to help create an environment that encourages learning in all kids rather than in some kids. What I find frightening is the failure to mention that for most of the world education has gone backwards since the 1960s and really backwards since the 1990s. As a person who attended both private and public school education during high school in the late 80s and early 90s I can tell you that the resources, contacts, and levels of achievement were worlds apart.

    Julia Gillard really does need to set out a specific guideline for standards that are well above what is expected in the U.S. and other deteriorating education systems. Hard decisions need to be made about students that can't pass a class in the early years of grades 1.2. and 3, and the schools need to stand firm by the decision. What point is there if you can't read or write when you get to grade 7? And how the bloody hell did "no-one" notice for 7 years that you weren't learning anything?

    One thing I always tell a new class, stupidity is a choice. If you choose to be stupid don't waste my time. If you want to learn I will try to guide you the best way I can to the best of my knowledge and ability. For most it works, for the ones that think they're going to be the next super sports star it's like talking to a brick wall.

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      • Celsius100:

        26 Nov 2008 4:30:10pm

        John, perhaps stupidity is a choice but it is also a point of view held by someone about another unique individual. Does "stupid" apply to the expressed behaviour or the learning ability?
        I have known many people called stupid by their teachers and in my day, physically punished for it. I have seen the damage that the term "stupid" applied in class to students does. It can become a self fulfilling prophecy from the teachers point of view. I know of children given the epithet "stupid" who went on in less than 10 years to become professors, GP's, researchers and innovators in industry. I have seen a greater number fail at their attempts to find a way to achieve.
        Many teachers and psychologists know little about the underlying anatomy and electro-chemistry of the brain and the functions of memory, learning and behaviour.
        There is clear evidence that there is great diversity in brain types and functions. One single homogenous teaching system will never succed with the fact that there are multiple in-built learning systems. Nature needs multiple learning systems for adaptability in the face of rapid change. Those called "stupid" may well carry the genes of survival and progress.
        Education systems must provide for equivalent diversity in function and content or the brains with different structure will remain consigned to the "stupid" bin. In my opinion that is analogous to genocide.

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          • John Michaels:

            26 Nov 2008 4:51:25pm

            It most distinctly refers to the expressed behaviour of the individual, not the learning ability. From what I have seen over the last 20 years there seems to be a competition amongst certain younger people to outdo each other in the failure to learn. They focus solely on one thing because they believe that that one thing will save them from whatever it is they think they need saving from. This singular focus leads to unfulfilled ambition in many cases and therefore introduces a whole new set of problems that never would have been there had the individual studied across a broad range of criteria.

            The answer can be rather simple. If you can teach a child with downs syndrome to read, write, and speak Chinese and English then what excuse is there for anybody else? Some people quite simply choose to not learn, therefore stupidity is a choice. Note that I am not calling anybody stupid.

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          • Spooky:

            26 Nov 2008 5:17:53pm

            I suppose the situation is complicated.

            But the main issue will always be determination. A stupid person is a person without knowledge, who is incapable or unwilling to learn new abilities and skills.

            One kid might become a professor of calculus. One might become a computer programmer. Another will learn how to strip down, fix and reassemble vehicle parts. One might take a punt and work on the land. All are equally valuable to their society and economy.

            But these kids all have something in common. They went out of their way to learn skills and new things. They had ambition to better themselves.

            The issue with many students is that they dont have the motivation. This can be for a variety of reasons, many to do with society. If the problem causing this lack of ambition is not addressed, the kid will never achieve their potential.

            Our system currently operates on a triage basis. We focus on the borderlines, assist the gifted and abandon the problem cases. This is because we have no choice. The teachers lack the resources and manpower to help everyone.

            If we want to fix the system, giving it more resources would be a good start. The governments say that education is a priority, but frankly their actions say different.

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              • Celsius100:

                26 Nov 2008 5:54:06pm

                Yeah Spooky, my old neighbour said something to me when I was a kid (he fought in both WW1 &WW2) "Make the best of ANY learning opportunity that comes your way, boy, because governments are not generally interested in having a majority of well educated people. They might work out whats really going on."

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  • rfnk:

    26 Nov 2008 2:46:41pm

    Making comparisons between educational systems or approaches is highly dubious in any case because the whole field is so lacking in objectivity, particularly at the political level, that no one will ever accept the performance measures. We have become so tolerant of pseudo-science (i.e., gullible) that the media, the politicians, the unions and, sadly, even educational leaders, simply select whatever performance measures suit their argument at any particular time.

    Australia has a serious problem with school failure - even the most casual observer can see this, but those who work within the system know that it is worse than it appears. By far the greatest issue we face that impacts on education is the dereliction of parental responsibility - accepted increasingly by communities and encouraged by weak, successive governments at the State and Federal levels. However, while there needs to be a dramatic reversal of community and government attitudes towards those who would destroy our communities, there are also measures that governments in Australia could take within their education systems that would make a very real difference. These are some:

    Strip down the early years curriculum in primary school to focus primarily on basic literacy, communication and numeracy and teach these skills in a highly structured way so that every child learns these skills within their first two years at school, not just 75%. Abandon `whole language' and other discredited nonsense - it's about time isn't it? An early focus on step-by-step learning, dedication to quality and accuracy and the basic disciplines of learning sets children up for success. Lack of attention to these essential skills sets children up for failure. The tragedy is that too many teachers, parents and children don't find out that there's a serious deficit in what's been learned until years later when it's more difficult to correct.

    Develop real vocational options for secondary students at a much younger age than is currently the case. Retaining students in educational institutions that are irrelevant to their perceived needs, especially when they already feel inadequate through years of inadequacy in literacy and numeracy, is simply stupid.

    Respond to the fact that every decent study of learning identifies teacher quality as the most consistent, significant variable affecting student performance. Good teachers need to be encouraged to take on the most challenging students and those in the most challenging locations. Reward them through very substantial salary incentives (rather than counter-productive transfer systems). Get rid of teachers who are simply unsuited. It will take governments who are prepared to weather industrial action and other political pressure from unions to achieve this but, if the engineers insisted on continuing to build bridges that fall down, would the government hesitate to replace them? There are plenty of ways to measure teacher p

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  • dazza:

    26 Nov 2008 2:50:09pm

    Many comments seem to focus on removing the government/politics from the review process and making teachers/academics more involved. Having seen the influence of many of these types in the 1970s in NSW, I am not so sure this is the best solution either. I read a lot of comments below that are filled with "Motherhood Statements" such as;
    "Teachers must be trusted, respected and continually re-skilled. Schools, teachers and students must work in ,fully resourced, supportive environmentally sound and sustainable workplaces", and "Yes, we need somebody with conviction and a positive plan". We want better resourcing, commitment from parents and on the list goes. I note one correspondent below talks about teachers needing to be respected and valued. Try finding a majority of students, in either public or private schools, who actually respect their teachers these days. Grand schemes are wonderful, if the basics are in place. Let's not go back down the path of academics pushing 'Phonetic Spelling' at kids. My 39 year old brother still has troubles courtesy of this phenomenon, as do many of the younger people I work with.
    Lets get rid of the touchy-feely nonsense that precludes the use of terms such as "Failure" on the grounds that it destroys confidence. I have blown assessments and tests in my own life and simply got on with making sure I passed on a retest or the next time around. If you don't make the grade, let's be honest about it. Once your education is complete and you are in the big, wide world, if you can't make the grade in your job, your boss is not going to persist forever in accepting incompetence.

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      • Gweneth:

        26 Nov 2008 4:26:22pm

        You are not actually a teacher, are you dazza? So many experts! Based on what experience? How many people actually realise the level of skill, knowledge and experience required for expert teaching? Do you know what percentage of failure is results is necessary to ensure feedback for learning without damaging motivation? Did you know that a different percentage is needed for students at risk and those who are gifted and or academic? Do you realise that different teaching styles, strategies are required for for different groups? Do you realise that a teacher who excels with one clientele will not necessarily succeed with another?

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          • Celsius100:

            26 Nov 2008 5:27:24pm

            Gweneth, those are good points. If you look at my post (we must have been writing concurrently) I was trying to say similar things in a different way. I have been a teacher but though not a paid teacher any longer I am a parent and all parents must assume the role of teacher during the lifetime of their children. I research cognitive science along with bio-chemistry and neuroscience as it is related to learning. All children are individuals and therefore there can be no "one-size-fits all" strategy - as is already understood by good teachers and parents.
            What is becoming apparent, as we research further is that there are many things, long labelled "learning disorders" that are now showing as genetically linked adaptations of the brain. In otherwords, deliberate differences in learning technique, function and location in the brain. Nature does not do this without good purpose. We as a complex society must find a way to provide learning opportunities for all these different individuals as in the diversity of us all is our only chance for survival and progress. This is why one national, unified approach will only work if it actually develops additional teaching/learning strategies to identify the differences in brains and provide the necessary environment for each to learn. Teachers have differences in their brains, just as their students have them.

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      • ees:

        26 Nov 2008 4:53:44pm

        What is wrong with 'motherhood statements'? Is this term ment to be a negative one? Education is all about nurture. A child cannot learn if they are not in a caring and supportive environment and I am not just referring to early years.

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          • Beej:

            26 Nov 2008 11:56:54pm

            Sorry to disappoint you ees but the world is a big scary place out there. The sooner the mollycoddling stops the sooner people will realise life passes faliures by. Learn or be left behind, learn or eat dirt for the rest of your short life.

            I find it strange how the methods of the 60's, 70's and early 80's, which did work are looked down upon by so many "progressive thinkers" of today. Before you pooh-pooh the idea think about how many leading figures and captains of industry are from these and earlier eras of education. Now name me 10 leading figures of the late 80's and onwards that can even spell anything other than their name in some thing other than SMS speak and then just then we may contemplate modern education and feel good motherhood statements.

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  • Marv87:

    26 Nov 2008 5:07:11pm

    I don't see why we can't be looking at genuinely successful systems such as the one over in Japan. There you have an entirely hardworking people, putting in their due dillgence at an early age and the harvest is an incredibly 'smart' economy.

    These are the people we need to be taking advice from.

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  • Meredith:

    26 Nov 2008 5:07:32pm

    Its a cultural problem first and foremost.

    Australians do not value education - it is seen as eliti