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Gillard lashes schools bill 'hypocrisy'

By Online parliamentary correspondent Emma Rodgers

Posted December 3, 2008 09:48:00
Updated December 3, 2008 11:39:00

Deputy Prime Minister Julia Gillard

'Liberal hypocrisy': Julia Gillard (AAP: Alan Porritt, file photo)

Federal Education Minister Julia Gillard has accused the Opposition of behaving hypocritically and irresponsibly in refusing to pass the $28 billion Schools Assistance bill.

Last night Coalition senators joined with Family First's Steve Fielding to remove provisions for a national curriculum in the bill, arguing that independent schools have not seen the details of the curriculum.

And this morning the Independent Schools Council of Australia and the National Catholic Education Commission both called on the Opposition to pass the bill.

The bill must go through before Parliament rises on Thursday to enable the funds to be delivered to private schools by next year.

But the Government will not be accepting the amendment made by the Coalition and Senator Fielding when it is returned to the Lower House.

Ms Gillard says independent schools want the bill passed and the Opposition is denying them their funding.

"This is just game-playing and hypocrisy from the Liberal Party, which in the past said it supported a national curriculum and in the past has required schools to sign up to things they haven't seen in order to get funding," she told Sabra Lane on ABC's AM program.

"[Education spokesman] Christopher Pyne and [Opposition Leader] Malcolm Turnbull will need to explain to mums and dads around this country why it is that they've put them in a position that their school will open in 2009 without the funds that schools desperately needs."

Ms Gillard says independent schools are being included in the formulation of the national curriculum, which was a Labor election promise.

"It's being written by an expert board where non-government schools are represented and working on the curriculum," she said.

Bill Daniels of the Independent Schools Council of Australia says it is happy with its involvement in the development of the curriculum and wants the bill passed.

"We regard it as absolutely essential that this legislation is passed to give schools and parents the certainty and funding stability that they need from the first of January next year," he said.

The National Catholic Education Commission's Bill Griffiths agrees and says he believes there is general support among parents for a national curriculum.

"We would ask that that the bill be agreed to and passed before the end of the year," he said.

But Opposition education spokesman Christopher Pyne says by linking the funds to the introduction of a national curriculum the Government is stopping possible debate on its formulation.

"They've linked the national curriculum to a $28 billion bill and said that we'll hold a gun to the heads of schools and the Opposition and Senator Fielding if they don't pass it," he said.

The Government has allowed two other amendments to the bill but Mr Pyne says that does not mean the Coalition should give in.

"I don't see this as a bargaining process," he said.

"It's not a night at the casino and you've won two out of three so it's time to pick up your chips and leave the table."

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  • Captain Awesome:

    03 Dec 2008 10:10:03am

    Good job Fielding!

    Bow to your masters. Changing your party next election?

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  • Dave:

    03 Dec 2008 10:13:39am

    How unusual for Fielding to support the opposition. This imposter was elected under the mantle of Family First. Since then he was the deciding vote on Work Choices, the most family unfriendly legislation in history, and he has supported every liberal argument.

    Is a stooge by any other name less of a liberal?

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      • Jamie Bloomfield:

        03 Dec 2008 10:30:08am

        And all this from a guy who virtually represents no-one. From WIKIPEDIA: "2004 Election ... This resulted in a victory in Victoria, where candidate Steve Fielding was elected on preferences to the Federal Senate, despite receiving significantly fewer primary votes (56,376 or 1.88% Group Totals) than The Greens' David Risstrom (263,551 or 8.80% Group Totals)". He is hardly representative of his state or the country. When we become a Republic, we MUST find a better system than this!

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          • wmc:

            03 Dec 2008 10:58:39am

            We should forever thank Fielding for supporting voluntary student unionism, which cut the cost of attending university, stopped funding from being diverted to left wing causes and forced universities to improve their financial management.

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          • Nth Qld boy:

            03 Dec 2008 11:04:34am

            Give a rest Jamie just for once. Are you paid by the ALP to post to the ABC forum or what?

            Wikipedia is a source that is open for anyone with access to the net to post on. It is not peer-reviewed or checked. And really who cares about 2004 results?

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  • pmoes:

    03 Dec 2008 10:13:46am

    Total hypocrisy. Christopher Wine is just trying to make headlines for himself.
    Labour should have completely abolished the funding mechanism they kept from the Libs and now the Libs want to change it!?!
    A national curriculum will not work effectively. Learning should be constructed from the environment in which students live, not from an office in a capital city somewhere.
    Ranking tables are a means to better enable the selling of services from the corporate sector to the public sector

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      • Dan Mc:

        03 Dec 2008 10:54:02am

        A national curriculum will not work effectively? Yes... we certainly don't want students entering a NSW university from a WA high school knowing the same calculus as a NSW student. That would be to poorly reflect the environment they come from...

        Sarcasm aside, the national curriculum isn't being designed to dictate every single aspect of what is taught. There is flexibility for each school to decide what they want to teach, but there are basics that are mandated such that interstate students aren't at a disadvantage.

        In any case, there is such a massive difference between a Broken Hill environment and a Cabramatta environment, that even within the one state your argument of environment-appropriate curriculum falls down.

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      • Pennee:

        03 Dec 2008 11:12:05am

        I agree 100% a national cirriculum is a flawed idea that will not work and it is wrong for the government to try and tie funding to their abject failure of an idea.

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  • more of the same:

    03 Dec 2008 10:15:39am

    I'm fed up. The bickering never ceases. Why can't the people we vote for ever work constructively together? Ok, so there are party lines, but what ever happened to acting like mature, responsible and wise adults? Did we only vote for the best candidate? Were there actually no wise people to vote for?
    I don't speak for everyone, but much of the public is really getting tired of political games and childish banter from our "leaders".
    Bit of maturity PLEASE!

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      • Patch:

        03 Dec 2008 10:30:31am

        I know what you mean, especially when you think about how broad the spectrum of political idealogies are, our two major parties are really very similar.

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          • Pennee:

            03 Dec 2008 11:13:33am

            Yes one supports liberalism, individualism and free enterprise and the other supports socialism, redistribution of wealth and the government orchestrating most aspects of our lives. I see your point entirely.

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          • twobob:

            03 Dec 2008 11:21:08am

            Thats what rupert and kerry have given us

            Choose my team or choose my other tem

            rupert and kerry have also given us an image of the Greens as a bunch of dirty smelly hippies who are professional protesters and dole bludgers.
            Not true though. The greens are actually the real alternative government who can keep the bastards honest. And with their ideology they are much harder to infiltrate and divert than were the democrats.

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      • Lindsay Cooper:

        03 Dec 2008 10:42:41am

        I agree wholeheartily with you "More of the Same" and I doubt very much if there were any wise candidates available at the last elections or for any other elections in the past many years. You only have to watch their performance. Ludicrous.

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          • BJ:

            03 Dec 2008 11:05:41am

            Lindsay Cooper and his typical cliched arguments about politicans being dumb etc.

            Lindsay, most politicians are very intelligent people with very genuine concern about their community. Go and speak to some.

            This current issue is from people with very passioned views on education. I'd rather them argue it out than just blindly accept one position as the full and final answer.

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  • Smaug:

    03 Dec 2008 10:16:59am

    Oh come on, Linking funding to ideology is something Howard revelled in, almost every bit of funding he provided to the states was ideologically tied by Howard to screw unions or some other group Howard disliked.
    A national curriculum is something both parties agreed to.
    Personally bring of a double dissolution, the Libs certainly won't get back in with the way their behaving and Fielding doesn't have a hope no matter what happens.

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      • Baz:

        03 Dec 2008 10:41:38am

        Maybe if everybody knew what the 'National Curriculum' it would work. What sensible person would agree to something that hasn't yet been written.

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          • Patch:

            03 Dec 2008 11:00:22am

            What are you worried about Baz? Do you think they might actually start teaching the real history of australia? What Howard liked to call a black armband idea of history?

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          • MT:

            03 Dec 2008 11:14:10am

            Read the article again. Independent schools are part of the process which is creating the national curriculum.

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          • Pennee:

            03 Dec 2008 11:14:36am

            Cirriculums change. Just because it's one thing now does not mean it will be the same in 2 years time. It really should be a separate issue to school funding.

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      • Jamie Bloomfield:

        03 Dec 2008 10:59:07am

        A national curriculum is also something that was agreed to by all Premiers, including Colin Barnett (a Liberal) at the recent COAG meeting.

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          • Guy:

            03 Dec 2008 11:15:29am

            But not by PRIVATE schools.

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              • Jamie Bloomfield:

                03 Dec 2008 11:32:54am

                In that case Guy, they should get no public funding - problem solved.

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          • Baz:

            03 Dec 2008 11:18:00am

            They might have agreed establish one but but they could not agree to the curriculum - it doesn't exist yet.

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  • Bushranger:

    03 Dec 2008 10:17:53am

    This is the same mob that made having a flagpole a prerequisite for funding. The Liberals are despicable. They place no value on education at all. They know full well that stopping funding will only hurt lower socio-economic schools - the flash schools they attended will be fine.

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      • Pennee:

        03 Dec 2008 11:16:00am

        It's private schools that are affected and the government only increased funding to them this year by less than 1% - less than the increase in wages to staff the schools. So no, it's not likely to impact lower socio-economic brackets as they couldn't afford the school fees to start.

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      • Remark:

        03 Dec 2008 11:36:27am

        Under the Howard Liberals Australia was "the only developed country to cut public spending on tertiary education"

        http://www.theage.com.au/news/national/australia-only-developed-country-to-cut-spending/2007/09/18/1189881513941.html

        Howard never did anything without a political reason. Why would he want to engineer a dumbed-down population? Likely he banked on his party getting more votes from the uneducated and narrow-minded.

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  • Jason:

    03 Dec 2008 10:19:26am

    Well, as one of the parents whom Comrade Julia is so keen to protect, I for one am quite happy to have this bill sent back for re-consideration.

    It is typical of a Labor Government, that they slip an undefined national cirriculum into a badly needed funding package.

    That our education system needs reform at the national level is obvious. What is not obvious, is, the next step of the Labor Government. Having established the framework for national propaganda, sorry, I mean cirriculum; what's next?

    The recent workplace "reforms" show how much of a stranglehold the trade unions have over our Dear Leader and his team. With a national cirriculum, all the Maoists and Marxists from the teachers unions would have open slather on the political re-education of our kids.

    Federation may be unwieldy, but it surely beats the Canberra Thought Police controlling each and every school in the country.

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      • lenwx:

        03 Dec 2008 10:38:02am

        I agree with Jason. This government talks about transparency and they expect schools to sign up on a National Curriculum which hasn't even seen the light of day. Will you sign up on a blank mobile phone contract?

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      • chalkie:

        03 Dec 2008 10:45:11am

        Apart from the irony of someone critiquing educatino with ignorance, let me help with some points.

        Quite a bit of definition exists for the National Curriculum. There is no indication that the final form will be imprcise. Issues are still to be resolved but there is no sign of this being captive to unions. In fact, teachers have fairly limited advisory impact.

        As for the left leaning nature of the curriculum: the NC looks far more traditional than much of the state-basedonoes we currently have.

        But you are right: funding of schools is a seperate issue but the tie-in with funding of private schools gets it through a senate keen to equate Labor failure with their success in obstruction.

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          • Jason:

            03 Dec 2008 11:35:01am

            Oh, dear, I think I've been put in my place. Well, speaking as an ignorant parent, perhaps Chalkie (presumably a teacher) could tell me where to find this National Cirriculum, in a format that an ignoramus like myself can understand. "Issues to be resolved?" -- sounds like an even better reason to send this bill back, until all stakeholders have been consulted - parents most of all - about the content of the proposed national cirriculum.

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      • TheKing:

        03 Dec 2008 10:57:32am

        I have no problem with $28 billion funding being given to private schools but do you seriously expect the taxpayers to give this money with no public record of how it is spent and no control over what is taught? If the private schools don't like it, let them be as sercretive as they like and teach whatever they like without a cent of government funding.

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      • Chang:

        03 Dec 2008 11:18:36am

        I agree that schooling needs an overhaul, but I disagree that it needs to be done nationally. Admittedly we have a mob of useless jokers running our state education systems, but more a more grass roots level rethink would be best. If schools were freer to respond to the needs of pupils and the ir parents then we may actually have ore people satisfied with learning outcomes.

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  • Captain Awesome:

    03 Dec 2008 10:20:04am

    I'm seriously hoping that the Government call a double disillusion. I really am.

    Policies? ALP have them. Greens have them. Liberals don't.
    Public Support? ALP has it. Greens has it. Liberals don't.
    Support from the financial sector? ALP has it. Liberals don't.
    Support from workers? ALP has it. Liberals don't.
    Support from employers? ALP has it. Liberals don't.


    C'mon. Do it Malcy. Push for it. It'll be great.

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      • PaulD:

        03 Dec 2008 10:30:15am

        That's "double dissolution", but I applaud your excellent pun, even if it was unintentional.

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      • Nth Qld boy:

        03 Dec 2008 10:33:52am

        You don't speak for me Captain Awesome.

        The ALP is about to be thrown out in every State election, the tide is turning.

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          • Izvestia:

            03 Dec 2008 10:44:09am

            State and National elections are faught on different issues. In WA Labor still is the party with a majority of seats, and the last election was just a protest vote, if one held today the coalition would loose. In NSW, and Vic it is the local issues that matter.

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              • Captain Intelligent:

                03 Dec 2008 11:21:47am

                A party only has a majority of seats if they have enough to form government. The ALP did not.

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          • Smaug:

            03 Dec 2008 10:48:29am

            "The ALP is about to be thrown out in every State election, the tide is turning."
            Which means the Rudd Government will be guaranteed to win, the electorate tend to like balance and the irresponsible way Howard acted last time when he had majority in both houses only underscores the electorates belief in balance. Thus if the electorate is gravitating towards conservative state governments they will probably be MORE likely to vote Labor federally.

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          • adrian:

            03 Dec 2008 11:04:09am

            I gather by the tide is turning you mean that Labor are still the most popular government is recent memory and that Kevin's approval rating is still at record highs?

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          • Trev:

            03 Dec 2008 11:13:51am

            The Howard government was the best friend the Labor state governments ever had. Now he's gone governments in the states and territories will start to change hands again.

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      • Braz:

        03 Dec 2008 10:51:31am

        Actually, you seem to forget that it was the Libs that had the policies in the lead up to last year's election, not the ALP Opposition. So are you saying it was OK for Rudd not to have policies as Opposition Leader but it's not OK for Turnbull?

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          • Captain Intelligent:

            03 Dec 2008 11:22:55am

            That and every one knows that you don't have proper policies in oppositions or the government will pinch them! You're just there to scrutinise the incumbent government's policies.

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      • Jamie Bloomfield:

        03 Dec 2008 10:54:10am

        I for one would LOVE to see a double dissolution. Complete decimation at the polls is about the only way the Coalition will realise that they are in Opposition and not in government any more. That way we can get rid of the unrepresentative Steve Fielding once and for all, and Mr I'm-Big-Noting-Myself-Yet-Again Nick Xenophon. He was good as a State MP, but I'm afraid his elevation to the Senate has seen him become too big for his boots.

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      • Captain Intelligent:

        03 Dec 2008 11:21:11am

        I work as a business consultant and I am yet to come across one person who is in a leadership position or even in management above a first level supervisor who supports the ALP. The only thing the ALP has is a bunch of poorly paid workers to bully into lining their and the useless union bosses pockets.

        As for policy, you're on the computer have a look at their websites.

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      • Andrew:

        03 Dec 2008 11:29:16am

        If by support, you mean want them to just govern instead of being interrupted by political stunts, yes. I personally do not regard any of the political parties highly. How can you? They are just businesses trying to capture market share (votes) with different target markets.

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  • Big Yin:

    03 Dec 2008 10:22:02am

    When it comes to 'hypocrisy' and obfuscation, Big Red knows no bounds! The opposition have no problem passing the funding component of this legislation. What they won't agree to is cart blanche about the curriculum, without having acess to the details of any proposed changes. Gillard, instead of being so stubborn, split the bill and the funding will be passed. Simple solution!

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      • Jamie Bloomfield:

        03 Dec 2008 10:49:44am

        How times change Big Yin. What was good whilst the Coalition was in government is no longer good whilst in Opposition. Is it any wonder they are so down in the polls when their rank hypocrisy is exposed for all the world to see?

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      • MT:

        03 Dec 2008 11:17:10am

        Wake up mate, this isnt about the national curriculum at all. The real agenda is the requirement that private schools make their funding transparent.

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  • Jamie Bloomfield:

    03 Dec 2008 10:22:06am

    Good on you Julia. Stand your ground. If we're going to subsidise private schools, they must be subject to the same provisions as public schools. If the bill is not passed, Australia will immediately save $28 billion on something it shouldn't be funding anyway. Public schools have been seriously underfunded for some time now, particularly over the last 12 years. Let's end this elitist crap right now and use this $28 billion to make the public system 1st class, then there would be no need for private schools.

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      • wmc:

        03 Dec 2008 10:44:48am

        Firstly, parents have been flocking to private schools because they offer a better education. It made sense for the federal government to direct funding to the part of the sector that was growing and in demand. Labor, by the way, copied the Coalition's formula for funding of private schools.

        Second, state governments (particularly in NSW) have squandered the windfalls from the GST and stamp duty.
        And those state governments are formed by which party? The party that can't manage the economy.

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          • chalkie:

            03 Dec 2008 11:12:23am

            actually, the most reported reason to go provate is 'discipline' which is generally translated as "getting away from boofhead kids whose parents have raised dud kids with even less social capital than themsleves".

            It is an sign that middle class parents are using money to get away from deadbeat kids.

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          • chalkie:

            03 Dec 2008 11:19:35am

            Perhaps people are leaving state schools BECAUSE of their success. Meritocratic state school systems have over 3 generations shifted higher IQ kids into university education and the middle classes, leaving the intellectual flotsom swirling in state schools. If it were not for migrants, less and less educational success would emerge from state schools, and as this process continues, fewer and fewer working class children as a proportion enter university via state schools. Each generation exacerbates this trend as IQ is highly associated with parental IQ: smart kids leave, dumb kids remain. Then they lumber to the nearest state school for want of interest in or capability for anything different.

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          • Bruce:

            03 Dec 2008 11:24:33am

            I'm not sure what point you are trying to make in regards to handling of the economy. Here we are saving hundreds of dollars a month in housing loan interest and fuel bills, while being Lauded by the OECD as one of the few developed economies of the world which will avoid going into recession. All good as far as I'm concerned.

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          • Sharon:

            03 Dec 2008 11:32:57am

            I agree wmc - private schools offer more than government and in a resource rich country such as ours it's a woeful state of affairs.
            Let's face it - while there are a few parents who send their kids to private without hardship, the majority make enormous sacrifices to find the $20,000 + a year to give their kids the best start in life. If public schools lifted their game then more families would use them.

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      • chalkie:

        03 Dec 2008 10:51:42am

        Frankly, $28b won't even come close to matching the inputs of the 'better' private schools and their state competitors. My school spends about $6000 per student per year more than a state school. And the cultural capital and the lack of special needs means an even more effective spend on education and associated cocurricular efforts.

        Unless you are willing to increase total education spending billions of additional dollars to match this disparity. And that just anit gunna happen.

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      • Pete:

        03 Dec 2008 11:07:57am

        Fund public hospitals and there'd be no need for private health insurance subsidies.

        Fund public transport and there'd be no need for fringe benefits on motor vehicles.

        Abolish negative gearing and there'd be no need for first home owners grant.

        Tax fossil fuels into oblivion and there'd be a thriving renewable industry.

        Reality check - the middle class actually prefer individual freedoms, handouts and the status quo to economic uncertainty, change and social revolution.

        Now you understand why the greens have such a low vote...

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      • d58:

        03 Dec 2008 11:14:33am

        Typical ignorant remark from someone who obviously doesn't understand that the States by and large fund public schools whilst the Feds and after tax income of parents by and large fund non-government schools. The parents of non-government schools, by paying fees, effectively subsidise education as a whole whilst getting little by tax breaks for doing so.
        Ok, push your idealogical barrow. Stop funding non-government education. And then wonder why all children will get less as a result.
        Tying funding of non-government education to an apparently unresolved "national curriculum" probably is a way of strangling the idependent character of non-government schools, especially in the field of religious education.

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      • Jerome:

        03 Dec 2008 11:26:06am

        Private schools now provide education to the majority of students in most states. The state system has failed and part of that failure is that the government has been dictating what they can and can not do.

        The parents of students in private schooling pay taxes and probably more taxes (on average) than state school parents and are entitled to see some of it go towards their children's education. Also it takes a huge burdent off the state system and it is cheaper to give private schools some funding that have the majority of those students return to the public system.

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  • drew:

    03 Dec 2008 10:24:49am

    Pyne really makes the Liberal Party look stupid.

    Turnball has great potential.

    but there is no doubt Pyne and Bishop must go.

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      • lake 57:

        03 Dec 2008 10:49:39am

        senator fielding is opposed to this because of the material taught at fundementalist christian schools. if you have a national corriculum the creationist stuff would have to go,as the funding is linked to adherance to the new policy. fielding is being obstructive to appease his a.o.g. support base.they want to teach american loony theology,creationism. and receive the funding to do so already.losing it would mean the end of schools where my partner and siblings were taught nothing.(except scripture).

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          • Jerome:

            03 Dec 2008 11:27:47am

            To be perfectly honest I'd like to see schools have greater freedom in what they teach so parents can vote with their feet - ie if they want creation, or shakespeare or vocationally oriented lessons taught then they can go to the schools that cater to their preferences.

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          • drew:

            03 Dec 2008 11:31:58am

            do they really teach the creationist stuff in australian schools?

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  • Gary:

    03 Dec 2008 10:29:04am

    The opposition is once again looking silly.
    They seem to be making a practice of arguing against things they believe in. Cynical in the extreme.
    And Christopher Pyne is doing such a poor job. If Julie Bishop is worried about her job - Mr Pyne should be panicking. Fancy having to align yourself with Steve Fielding!
    The government must stand firm on this one and at some stage Malcolm Turnbull must exert more authority and get his troops focussed on being a viable alternative government.

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  • Indi:

    03 Dec 2008 10:29:53am

    Am I mis-remembering or was a national curriculum the brainchild of the Liberal Party prior to the last election? It was thena convenient stick with which to beat State Labor governments and teachers' unions. There was also a sense of public education as inevitably delivering lower standards built in to teh announcement of the Federal governments announcements. Now it seems that the national curriculum was never meant to apply to the private education sector. What are the fears? That it might contain compulsory sex-education, or biology which doesn't teach creationism, (sorry, intelligent design)? Perhaps Keynsian economics might be taught, or actual Australian history not just the triumphalist version? To use a Howardian rhtoric, what to these private schools have to hide?

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      • BJ:

        03 Dec 2008 10:56:50am

        Indi

        I totally agree.

        We also must remember that it wasn't until the mid 1980's when most States brought in a uniform curriculum across public and private schools. This curriculum required a basic range of subjects.

        For many private schools, this was dragging them kicking and screaming into the 20th century, totally against their will. For example, prior to this, many girls' schools offered subjects that would only qualify graduates as homemakers.

        We must not forget the Liberals opposed these reforms to give every student the same chance. Seems nothing's changed.

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      • Amen:

        03 Dec 2008 10:58:04am

        If you didn't mix your metaphors you might have a point; no one in todays or yesterdays posts argues against a national curriculum, all we are asking is for it to be clearly enunciated and not left swinging in the wind; tying money to an as yet unstated outcome is tyranny.

        Labour stated all through last year that it had a plan, well so far we can see the outlines but not the complete story. Would you buy a book like that?

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      • Gary:

        03 Dec 2008 11:17:15am

        You are entirely correct that the Federal Libs PROPOSED the need for a national curriculum last year to address highly visible falling standards in the basics such as grammar and maths, along with the need to publish school results.

        The very IDEA was howled down by the state Labor governments and criticized by Federal ALP.

        Now we have the new Federal government introducing the mandatory publishing of school results (now happily accepted by the state Labor governments - what happened there?) and introducing legislation for a national curriculum that has not been defined.

        Apart from the breathtaking double standards, the ALP are asking for legislation to be passed when the stakeholders have not seen the details. Yes, what is there to hide, hmmm?

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      • Baz:

        03 Dec 2008 11:20:09am

        I don't think anybody has a problem with establishing a National Curriculum - the problem is with agreeing to something before it actually exists.

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  • Say no to nuclear:

    03 Dec 2008 10:31:42am

    Well done, Mr. Pyne, for taking on the Federal Government!

    Stop interfering with non-governmental schools in the bill, Ms Gillard. Unlike the great majority of government schools (just look at the shambles in Adelaide), most non-governmental schools actually know what they are doing. Just give them the money they rightly deserve.

    By the way, most parents, who send their children there, are not rich, but they do see the value of a good education and are prepared to pay for it. Of course, they pay taxes.

    Stop this class war, Ms Gillard, or, you'll be judged harshly at the next election, just as Mark was.

    cheers

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      • Braz:

        03 Dec 2008 10:53:29am

        I agree. This is nothing more than an ideological attack on the private system. It's all about State control under a Labor government. All the hallmarks of communism if you ask me. But then again, we all know Julia Gillard's history on that front...

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          • Derridian:

            03 Dec 2008 11:05:19am

            Do elaborate Braz! Ms Gillard's history on that front would be most illuminating...

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          • mlad:

            03 Dec 2008 11:07:19am

            conservatives screeching "COMMUNISTS!!" whenever labour tries to gives everyone a fair go, so what else is new

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          • Bruce:

            03 Dec 2008 11:09:28am

            "This is nothing more than an ideological attack on the private system"

            Um, this is about 28 Billion dollars of public funding for private schools!
            Methinks you protest too much, as do the coalition - including Fielding.

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          • Odge:

            03 Dec 2008 11:20:37am

            If the private schools don't want taxpayers money, don't give it to them. Use it to fix the public schools to which people are pouring back out of the private system to.

            Keep private "user pays" and JWH would say. That is the biggest hipocracy in all this.

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      • BJ:

        03 Dec 2008 11:01:31am

        "Say no to Nuclear" supports the party that supports nuclear power. No wonder your party is a mess.

        And what shambles in public schools in Adelaide ?? Your experience is certainly not mine. I'm very happy with what we've got.

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      • adrian:

        03 Dec 2008 11:01:40am

        Oh. So the government are just supposed to freely give money away to private schools so they can do whatever they want with it?

        Its not a class war. It common sense.

        It is a class war to say that private schools should be exempt from any kind of controls or a national curriculum (which by the, I can't understand why any semi-intelligent person would prefer their children to be educated on a different syllabus to the one taught to everyone else) yet still receive national funding. That, is creating a class division. That is creating a "class war" and that, is ridiculous.

        I won't even comment on you appalling generalization that the great majority of government schools don't know what they are doing.

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      • Pete:

        03 Dec 2008 11:14:56am

        Why give *any* private school funding? Give it to the parents!

        Assess the unit cost of public education and give the parents of private school children the same amount towards the cost of the fees.

        Private Schools don't deserve *anything* from the government - it's an opt out situation. Pandering to them is just 'old school tie' cronyism. They'll survive according to free markets and charge fees accordingly.

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      • JvO:

        03 Dec 2008 11:20:26am

        " Stop this class war "
        That is exactly what the deputy PM is proposing i.e. provide funding in proportion to the needs of each school, not in accordance with the wants of the schools at the top end of the town at the expense of the less privileged.
        As mentioned earlier; " What do the private schools have to hide ? "

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      • yabbie:

        03 Dec 2008 11:29:32am

        Yes, private schools perform better than public schools because they have much greater resources in which to perform the task of education. Otherwise I couldnt disagree with you more.

        Most of the problem in passing this bill regards the transparency of funding and outcomes. Many non-government schools are opposed to this as they are fearful that government funding will be decreased on the basis of thier accumulated wealth or income.

        In order to allocate taxpayer sourced funds where they may achieve best outcomes for taxpayers across the board, this transparency is necessary.

        Such transparency is required for attaining commonwealth funds in other areas (such as health) and education should be no exception.

        Private schools wont have to disclose thier financial situation. They only need to do this if they wish to access public funds.

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      • The Pav:

        03 Dec 2008 11:32:31am

        So you are arguing that they should be given the funds without control.

        I suppose then if some radical religous college wanted funds that would be OK?

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  • JvO:

    03 Dec 2008 10:44:45am

    Julia Gillard is spot on, the liberals once again show to be performing in their typical, hypocritical, obstructionists way in the vain hope of making political mileage.
    They just lack the courage, the grace, the conviction to ever say " Me Too " even if they contradict themselves and make utter fools of themselves.
    Malcolm, you may have taken leave already but I suggest you have more on your plate than just calling over ambitious colleagues to order or protecting a plagiarizing deputy.
    Julia Gillard's proposal to provide more equitable school funding is to be applauded and is what all Australians would consider as a fair go for everybody.

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  • Amen:

    03 Dec 2008 10:46:25am

    Looks like a half cooked policy to me; I was taught from a very young age not to sign anything without a) reading it and b) understanding it.

    Julia is trying to use money to force through a national curriculum that even she does not have to hand yet.

    I have no objection to any part of the proposed bill but I do have objection to all of that blank space yet to be filled in.

    By the way, I have just been charged nearly $2,000 for my sons new computer... the policy on the run should mean he was given one for his use, where's that money Julia... would you please finish at least one job properly!

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  • Derridian:

    03 Dec 2008 10:48:50am

    Are the Opposition actually suggesting that a 'National' curriculum should only apply to public schools? Are they declaring that Private Schools should be treated differently? What's the point of having a 'National' curriculum? Surely the position should be that a 'National' curriculum is 'Nationally' applied.

    What conceivable danger could there be in a curriculum alteration? Oh... that's right... the 'Black Armband' view of history may be reintroduced in replacing the sanitized nonsense that Bishop and others promoted under the Howard Regime! I recall one of Bishop's press releases initially claiming that Mao's Little Red Book was what certain educationalists wished to see instituted in curricula. The claim was later omitted when her nonsensical propagandizing was exposed!

    Quite frankly the Opposition are worried because there may be more liberty in education, one with a broader examination of alternative views, than their conservative inclinations permit. Freedom of thought is anathema to these people and that extends to education. Wrote learning has been proven to be ludicrously inferior... it's time to let go of the chalk and slate mentality exhibited by the Opposition and to seriously commit to a broader educational model.

    Stop obfuscating for Political gain and pass the measure... the only victims in all of this will be students attending Private Schools. Still... Pyne, Bishop, et al see them as mere cannon fodder in the great debate don't they!!!

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  • dollas:

    03 Dec 2008 10:50:32am

    The opposition have every right to demand accountability from a government that has had a year of free rein. In that time they have squandered a fairly large budget excess on trivial vote-snaring projects that won't give us even an inch of infrastructure.

    Julia and the rest of the pig-pen are digging in their trotters to try and get mileage out of a perfectly reasonable request from the opposition and greens for more transparency. Labour doesn't like having to toe their own line.

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  • Jim Bendfeldt:

    03 Dec 2008 10:56:12am

    Here we go again, Fielding playing right field! The man (and party) that attracted a whopping 2500 votes (0.13%) gets to lay down the laws of this country.

    Oh I almost forgot, Fielding was elected on Labor Party preferences!

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  • Richard Bender:

    03 Dec 2008 11:01:36am

    These "problems" are created simply because the Commonwealth wants to interfere in things in which they have not business. The quicker Ms Gillard realises that the Commonwealth has no constitutional power over education and ceases abusing its grants power, the better.

    If the Commonwealth wishes to fund education it should do it via vouchers that parents may take to a school of their choosing, whether run by a State or Territory government or a private concern. Then we can stop all the political interference - at least at the Commonwealth level - in what schools do and do not teach.

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  • ernie davies:

    03 Dec 2008 11:06:21am

    Who are these people who seek to stop any improvement to the education system, I hope the handful of people who voted Family First hang there head in shame.
    Also what is it that the private schools do not wish to be examined, interesting.

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  • P B White:

    03 Dec 2008 11:09:06am

    It's so good to see Senator Fielding keeping true to form. I would hate to see him support anything worthwhile -- it would ruin his outstanding record.

    The opposition doesn't seem to have got the idea that they have to come up with some alternative policies, and not just wreck someone else's. I am reminded of a bunch of 6 year olds in the school sandbox... [sigh]

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  • Pennee:

    03 Dec 2008 11:10:36am

    I hate to say it but it's the ALP that's denying the schools funding by linking it to a national curriculum. The should also have anticipated that this would be unpallatable to the Coallition as most Libs support independent schools because they can create a more individualised curriculum catered to the students needs and their parents wishes. Creating a national curriculum flys in the face of what these schools (that now educate the majority of students in Qld and probably similar in other states) are trying to achieve.

    How dare the ALP link funding to their social engineering of individuals through schooling?

    And how dare they also attack the soverignty of the states to set curriculum and direct education?

    If anyone is playing politics it's Gillard and she seems very bitter that her plan has backfired.